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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
[Re: destroyer4570]
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11/17/15 02:58 AM
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scottfromdallas
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I have a Savage with a 1 in 9 twist and it handles up to 75 Hornadys fine. 69 grain match bullets stabilize perfectly so the 64 Power Point should be good to go.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/17/15 03:13 AM
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stxranchman
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Too many deer are lost to people letting their kids(7 yrs old) shoot deer with 55gr ammo. Happened this past weekend with a guy at work. Was it the caliber, the ammo or the shot placement?
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
[Re: destroyer4570]
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11/17/15 03:36 AM
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Caliche Kid
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Kmon1, I'll probably end up trying them in my .222 or my 1/9 twist AR, but I read on Midway some negatives. Grain of salt. The 60 grain Nosler Partition and the Barnes offerings are pretty good at covering the bases in that weight range. I'm usually after hogs and deer are secondary opportunity. I normally hunt deer with a .270 or .308. Hogs though require group therapy. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/17/15 03:49 AM
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Imo wrong bullet for the application and shot placement. Deer are really thin skinned and that gmx is a great bullet for piercing tough hide and driving thru bone. It will never create a good enough wound channel in a wt id say max expansion would be around 1/4 " at best. Think of it like you punched a hole but didnt dump the hydrostatic shock like a ballistic tip or hp is designed to do. Same thing has happened to me using an 80gr gmx in 6mm at a coyote with a solid placed kill shot at 150yds. Im hunting tomorrow and my ar is what is being used with 60gr nosler ballistic tips and 24gr of H335. That combo has killed many south tx deer and hogs but i keep it to 250ish yards and in. Its all about shot placement and right tool for the job. ^^^ This!! The copper bullets do NOT have the shock of a lead bullet. That deer is dead somewhere, but not close by. A quartering away shot behind the shoulder hits lung (probably just one), and no other vitals. 223 will work fine for deer, with proper shot placement. I'm running the 65 grain Sierra Gamekings at 2950 fps.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
[Re: destroyer4570]
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11/17/15 01:38 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Monolithics work awesome in hot calibers like 220swift or 22-250... The 223 is not a caliber IMO
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/17/15 03:02 PM
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redchevy
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Monolithics work awesome in hot calibers like 220swift or 22-250... The 223 is not a caliber IMO X2 Loaded 55 grain tsx for 223 for 1 season they didn't do very well.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/17/15 07:29 PM
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destroyer4570
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Thanks for all the replies, you all have definitely given me foo for thought. I am going to try some Remington 55gr soft points or Winchester power points. I have seen many on here suggest the Nosler Partitions, is that ammo a handload or available in a factory load? I am not a relaoder so I'd have to stick with factory ammo for now. Who offers the Nosler Partitions in a factory load? Sorry if that is a dumb question, please feel free to educate me and provide some info regarding this matter.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/17/15 07:39 PM
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redchevy
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Federal offers the nosler in factory loading, I recommend it, it is far superior to the 55 grain Remington or any of the other standard soft points. In my opinion anyhow.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/17/15 09:22 PM
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QuitShootinYoungBucks
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https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/18/15 06:13 AM
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Thank you redchevy and QuitShootin, I have looked into the Nosler Partition. It looks like it will do the job done and has great reviews. I am going to get a box and give it a try. I will report results back when I get a chance to get a box and try on deer. Again thanks to all who replied to my post.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/18/15 04:40 PM
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QuitShootinYoungBucks
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I'm going to try to take a doe next week with the 62gr Fusion load, will report if successful.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/18/15 04:50 PM
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aggie-01
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Chad
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/18/15 10:22 PM
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Quitshootin, Good luck to you on the hunt, I am interested to read your report on the federal fusion and see how it work out on that doe.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/18/15 10:22 PM
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I've killed many hogs with my AR in .556 but have never shot a deer with it. I personally feel that the .223 is too light, for me, to risk a deer. My go to gun is a 40 plus year old Ruger M77 with tang safety in a 7x57 MM. 140 grain Remington Core-Lokt works great. I've killed them with .30-30, .25-06, and even a .338 Win Magnum. Never took more than 1 shot on any of them (so far).
Back in the Mid 1980's I worked 2 shootings in the same week (Peace officer). One guy shot in the back of the head with a .44 Magnum. The bullet penetrated the skin and rode around to his forehead above his eye and never penetrated his skull. The doc just cut the skin and popped the bullet out at the ER. He was one lucky guy.
Later in the week, a women got shot in the shoulder with a .25 Auto. The little bullet went in, bounced around and severed her aorta killing her.
Based upon those examples I have concluded that a .25 Auto to the shoulder is more deadly than a .44 Magnum to the head. Or it could be that if it's your time.....it's you're time!
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/29/15 01:47 AM
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Update on hunting with the Hornady 50gr gmx bullets, On Monday evening me and a friend decided to go hunting, we made it out to our location and got in the blind we were there not even 20 minutes when my friend spots a 9pt walking towards us close to the blind, the buck keeps walking and goes into some brush just to the left of the blind as he does that, we are hoping that he doesn't bypass us or go behind us to get into the neighboring ranch, just then we see him start to walk away from us, gets about 100yrds out where he starts cruising the fence line between our blind and the location of our feeder. I wait for him to stop to feed and just be still long enough to give me a shot, he finally does and I shoot him in the shoulder where he bucks at the shot and then starts to run at an angle to us, the deer ran about 30yrds and piles up in some brush. when skinning the deer we never found the bullet but the damage the bullet did was devastating and made pretty much jello of the shoulder that was impacted as well as all the tissue the bullet had ripped through. All in all the bullet did it's job as long as I had hit an area to cause the devastation and trauma to kill the deer. I will try it again on a few more deer this year to see it's potency and to see how well it works on deer, however I think for next year I will try some nosler partitions or some winchester power points for deer hunting.
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Re: 223 ammo for deer...
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11/29/15 03:05 AM
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Ackley_improved
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Update on hunting with the Hornady 50gr gmx bullets, On Monday evening me and a friend decided to go hunting, we made it out to our location and got in the blind we were there not even 20 minutes when my friend spots a 9pt walking towards us close to the blind, the buck keeps walking and goes into some brush just to the left of the blind as he does that, we are hoping that he doesn't bypass us or go behind us to get into the neighboring ranch, just then we see him start to walk away from us, gets about 100yrds out where he starts cruising the fence line between our blind and the location of our feeder. I wait for him to stop to feed and just be still long enough to give me a shot, he finally does and I shoot him in the shoulder where he bucks at the shot and then starts to run at an angle to us, the deer ran about 30yrds and piles up in some brush. when skinning the deer we never found the bullet but the damage the bullet did was devastating and made pretty much jello of the shoulder that was impacted as well as all the tissue the bullet had ripped through. All in all the bullet did it's job as long as I had hit an area to cause the devastation and trauma to kill the deer. I will try it again on a few more deer this year to see it's potency and to see how well it works on deer, however I think for next year I will try some nosler partitions or some winchester power points for deer hunting. Tough to ask much more than that. I popped a management 8 this past weekend at 100 yards with 123 smk's at 2970, severed the spine and he dropped in like a bag of rocks. The bullet broke his spine, but penciled right through as expected. I've shot deer with 75 amaxes at 3000 fps out of a 223ai, and the bullet blew up inside of the deer and destroyed the heart and lungs but the deer ran 50 yards. I've shot deer and hogs with 75gr Swift's at 2970, left plenty of blood, and they either dropped or ran 20-40 yards...my point is, shot placement matters most, bullet selection comes in second, and caliber is waaaaaay in last place, in my opinion. From now on, I'm shooting an "SPR" like AR-15 with good bullets, as it is plenty for anything inside of 300 in Texas. The rifle is easy to carry, shoots under 1 moa, and is fun to practice with.
Last edited by Ackley_improved; 11/29/15 03:07 AM.
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