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Is this a legal spike?
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11/15/15 09:37 PM
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ttechcolleyville
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Is this a legal spike and assuming the two points on either side are less than one inch? I am getting hung up on the definitions of references to "unbranched", "legal point", and "smooth antler". I am inclined to think this would be a legal spike during the regular season but not in the extended season. Am I interpreting that correctly?
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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#6030896
11/15/15 09:45 PM
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Finfeathernfurr
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I feel for you I am in the same predicament I have one that is almost identical to that one I would love to take out.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/15/15 09:48 PM
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Finfeathernfurr
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I am curious to see what others say. Camp meet would be my guess
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/15/15 09:55 PM
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TEXASLEFTY
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Less than 1" does not count as a point. Makes both of those bucks a legal deer in an AR county.
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/15/15 09:59 PM
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ttechcolleyville
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We have a growing number of these guys who if they escape "spikedom" will never be legal.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/15/15 10:09 PM
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TEXASLEFTY
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Remember. There are several forum members who think the AR is a good thing
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/15/15 11:06 PM
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338ultra
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Why hung up on wanting to kill a 1.5 year old buck do you have plenty of other yearlings that have a lot more tines? Are you numbers too high you need to take off some mouths?
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 01:19 AM
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We have a growing number of these guys who if they escape "spikedom" will never be legal. And how do you know they will never become legal? You can do more for herd management in the early stages killing does and forget about the bucks. Let them get some age on them.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
[Re: 338ultra]
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11/16/15 02:05 AM
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Why hung up on wanting to kill a 1.5 year old buck do you have plenty of other yearlings that have a lot more tines? Are you numbers too high you need to take off some mouths? yes where I am most 1.5 year old bucks this year are 6-8 points already. There are also a lot of them have a lot that are also fork horns but very young don't mind letting them come along. Glad to know a spike with nubb brows is
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
[Re: ttechcolleyville]
#6031435
11/16/15 02:11 AM
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Realized that was at the fork horn 338 ultra I would give those guys a pass as well AR or no AR. The antler restrictions where I am is the best thing that ever happened bigger deer are being killed every year and seeing a ton of fantastic bucks. Took 173" to win a local low fence contest last year that 8-10 years ago 140 was almost a lock for the win.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 02:21 AM
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Remember. There are several forum members who think the AR is a good thing I don't think anybody would claim that antler restrictions are perfect. There will obviously be exceptions to the rule that prevent a hunter from harvesting an animal that "should" be taken. Neither of these bucks definitely need to taken out of the herd because they are both 1.5 years old. With that said, though, I wouldn't say ARs are a good thing - I'd say they are a VERY good thing.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
[Re: TEXASLEFTY]
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11/16/15 02:23 AM
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Remember. There are several forum members who think the AR is a good thing
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 02:55 AM
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I'm gonna say not a legal spike. I agree that the points are less than one inch in length. But the term “spike” is defined as any deer at least a year old that has two hardened antlers that do not branch or fork. The definition doesn't include length...JMO
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 03:00 AM
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 03:29 AM
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The book say's at least 1 unbranched antler
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 03:48 AM
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Remember. There are several forum members who think the AR is a good thing I don't think anybody would claim that antler restrictions are perfect. There will obviously be exceptions to the rule that prevent a hunter from harvesting an animal that "should" be taken. Neither of these bucks definitely need to taken out of the herd because they are both 1.5 years old. With that said, though, I wouldn't say ARs are a good thing - I'd say they are a VERY good thing. For some counties.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 03:54 AM
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Can TPWD use language that everyone understands.........
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 04:11 AM
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Can TPWD use language that everyone understands......... or logic?
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 04:33 AM
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If the point is less than 1 in. then it doesn't count...so the pictured buck is Legal to shoot. Don't over think it.
Robert
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 11:57 AM
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maximus_flavius
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That buck is not a legal spike.
& AR is a simple way of trying to keep a-holes from shooting every deer they see. Is it perfect, no. Is it simple enough fr most idiots to understand, yes. It's too bad that we have to have them, but we have too many idiots shooting every buck they see, with no regard for age.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 12:23 PM
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DH3
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AR's are for the "spray and pray" crowd.
Old age and treachery beats youth and stupid every time!
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 12:49 PM
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Ranch Dog
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Yeap, not legal. ARs are the best thing that has happened in DeWitt County.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 02:48 PM
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The wording in the law could be more clear, but the way I read it the buck in the OP would be legal IF the points are less than an inch long (they're way too close for my comfort). The law covering legal bucks specifically states a point is not a legal point unless it's an inch long. The only other place in that section that mentions anything like a point is the reference to an unbranched antler. I can't think of any other reason they would have included a definition of a legal point other than to say the antler is not branched unless the point is 1" or longer. If that's the case, they should specify that to avoid any confusion. The best practice is to ask the GW in your county for his/her interpretation.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 02:58 PM
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I am inclined to think this would be a legal spike during the regular season but not in the extended season. Am I interpreting that correctly?
Yes, that is exactly correct.
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Re: Is this a legal spike?
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11/16/15 02:59 PM
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Remember. There are several forum members who think the AR is a good thing It's a little more than "several forum members". I'd guess (need to see a poll) that the majority of people in AR counties know (not "think") ARs are a good thing.
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