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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/23/15 03:03 AM
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That's why I also added the rest of the world where you can buy them in hardware stores. They are demonized because of Hollywood and idiots that don't understand what they actually do.
Saying stuff like oh I just don't want to see crazies get ahold of them sounds just like the dems when they talk about gun control. Oh we Don't need 30 round mags or "assault weapons" because crazies might get their hands on them. "Responsible gun owners" don't need to regurgitate what they hear the gun grabbers say on TV.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/23/15 03:05 AM
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By the way I'm in no way calling you nor the youngin an idiot, talking about the Antigun people.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/23/15 04:35 AM
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daniel1381
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Crazies will get ahold of anything they want !! Dont punish us over crazy people !!
Do we punish beer drinkers for people who cause dui and take lives??
Let the can be free!!! A can has never killed anyone!
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: J.G.]
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10/23/15 05:17 AM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it. This. It'd be a great thing, I just don't realistically see it happening. ESPECIALLY in this polarized political world we are currently in.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: daniel1381]
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10/23/15 12:41 PM
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Crazies will get ahold of anything they want !! Dont punish us over crazy people !!
Do we punish beer drinkers for people who cause dui and take lives??
Let the can be free!!! A can has never killed anyone! Exactly blunt objects (hammers ect.) kills more people a year than rifles. I rather not see a hammer in the hand of a crazy person. Do we punish builders and general contractors? Do we make them pay a stupid $200 tax on every single hammer they own?
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/23/15 12:45 PM
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I can't even find statistics on suppressor deaths in the US or worldwide seems like a non issue to me.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 12:54 PM
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The Dude Abides
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Well I meant UK, but they're still pretty hard to get. One of the post on that link says it actually illegal to hunt without a suppressor in the UK, and considered rude in most of Europe to shoot a gun without a suppressor. Wikipedia - Suppressors
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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/23/15 01:03 PM
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Wow, if caught in Pakistan with a suppressor you face life in prison? They have terrorist all over the country with who knows what munition wise and they will give you life in prison for something that doesn't make a gun, or person rather anymore deadly.. :smdh:
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 01:27 PM
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J.G.
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A thread on poachers caught in Texas is in the Open Huning section. They were caught with a home made suppressor. Poachers are going to use suppressors no matter what the law reads. Making strict laws only affects law abiding citizens, same as any other gun law.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 02:36 PM
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But when have you EVER seen the government give up control over a process or voluntarily lose the income from it? Especially one this deeply entrenched? Enacting prohibition made them lose control. OK, so there is that. But once they saw the error of their ways they crawfished on that deal. Maybe I should modify it to say in the last 25 years? All I know is that seems like every day they are findng a new way to get into my pocketbook. I don't see them giving one up.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/23/15 06:24 PM
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Only way i see this passing is the gov can still get to there 200 bucks So to say your 600 suppressor will still cost you 800 Only up turn is you get to walk out the door with it And i dont see that as a bad thing couse your going to pay it any how and you dont have to pay for a trust and will it to your kids
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Dodge_Rock]
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10/23/15 06:26 PM
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...don't hold your breath! Remember the gov't is not going to give up revenue at $200 a pop! If anything it might be just the opposite...they can go ahead and put them in the same category as a firearm and still charge the $200 tax! Now if Hillary wins office...well, we already know what her plans are!
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 06:44 PM
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I've learned not to try to apply "logic" and "reason" to anything in politics. Governments big and small don't use those two things.
It is far more important to be able to hit the target than it is to haggle over who makes a weapon or who pulls a trigger.
� Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/23/15 06:48 PM
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Only way i see this passing is the gov can still get to there 200 bucks So to say your 600 suppressor will still cost you 800 Only up turn is you get to walk out the door with it And i dont see that as a bad thing couse your going to pay it any how and you dont have to pay for a trust and will it to your kids Honestly, this alone would be a huge win. No I don't like paying the tax but if we can gain anything at this point I would like to be able to not have to do form 4's. The wait is way worse than the $200 tax stamp. There is virtually no scenario where I see the govt giving up that funding so I think this is the 2nd best we can ask for.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/24/15 01:32 AM
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The demand would be huge and manufacturers would be swamped with orders. Bring it!!
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/24/15 05:21 AM
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I'm sure the government spends more than $200 in man-hours and overhead processing all the forms and checking trusts, etc. I find it hard to believe they're making any money. I expect removing suppressors from the NFA will actually save money.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/24/15 12:36 PM
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You think they are going to lay off employees and close facilities they don't use as much as they were? Do you actually know how the government operates?
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/24/15 04:19 PM
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You think they are going to lay off employees and close facilities they don't use as much as they were? Do you actually know how the government operates? No. I have no idea how the government operates.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/24/15 07:45 PM
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It's about time someone authored this. I don't believe the gov't will allow the fee(tax) to go away though...
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: Toxarch]
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10/25/15 12:54 AM
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I will gripe and moan and hate paying a $200 tax but if this passes and no stupid trust or form 4 then I will be the first in line to pay it!!
GO TRUMP!
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/25/15 04:20 AM
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I'm sure the government spends more than $200 in man-hours and overhead processing all the forms and checking trusts, etc. I find it hard to believe they're making any money. I expect removing suppressors from the NFA will actually save money. I'm sure the government spends more than $200 in man-hours and overhead processing all the forms and checking trusts, etc. I find it hard to believe they're making any money. I expect removing suppressors from the NFA will actually save money. I bet less than 10 mins of manpower total is used to review a trust and I'm being generous, it is more than likely 5. I still don't understand what after an initial submission the timelines aren't expedited. Wtf changed since the last time I submitted.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
[Re: chital_shikari]
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10/25/15 04:46 AM
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Government is going to give away $200 for each suppressor, I doubt it.
Be great if it does happen. I've been wanting .22 lr and .45 suppressors. Exactly, the only way something like this would pass is still having the tax stamp attached to it, but without the Form 4 wait. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't particularly like having to shell out an extra 200 bucks, but if I can walk out with my suppressor that day I'll gladly pay it. I just don't want the crazies getting cans. Never know what they're gonna do. If "crazies" need a supressor, that means they already have access to the device that actually fires the bullets. You know, a gun. That's one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on THF. And that's saying a lot.
Haha yea I polished that thing for hours.
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Re: New Bill Introduced on Suppressors
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10/25/15 05:24 AM
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I'm sure the government spends more than $200 in man-hours and overhead processing all the forms and checking trusts, etc. I find it hard to believe they're making any money. I expect removing suppressors from the NFA will actually save money. I bet less than 10 mins of manpower total is used to review a trust and I'm being generous, it is more than likely 5. I still don't understand what after an initial submission the timelines aren't expedited. Wtf changed since the last time I submitted. You assume competence by submitters. Do you know how many applications are returned and letters sent for corrections? How many muldoons keep calling asking when their check is going to be cashed? Calling to check on their status? How many questions are asked and answered via letter? Trusts are evaluated for sufficiency by a legal section. Lawyers are not paid the same wages as the rest of the GS cronies. There's a lot more to processing an application than "processing an application".
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