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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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08/07/15 07:54 PM
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I fully understand deer are jumpy, and always try for a close shot.
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Wes70]
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08/07/15 08:06 PM
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Deer takes a step forward unexpectedly at 20 yards where do you think that arrow is going to hit? Can't use that in trying to prove your point.
With 30 yds difference??? Yes I can. Deer at 20 gets it in the liver where as deer at 50 gets it in the gut. But like I say, each to his own.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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08/07/15 10:03 PM
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Wes70
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Deer takes a step forward unexpectedly at 20 yards where do you think that arrow is going to hit? Can't use that in trying to prove your point.
With 30 yds difference??? Yes I can. Deer at 20 gets it in the liver where as deer at 50 gets it in the gut. But like I say, each to his own. Negative Ghostrider. The deers step forward is the same if I am sitting 20 yards out or 50 yards out. Step forward is a step forward. If you pull the shot or make a bad shot that is a different story.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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08/08/15 12:18 AM
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Well if the deer starts the step at release the fact that the arrow is in flight longer at 50 than at 20.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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08/08/15 02:52 AM
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Well if the deer starts the step at release the fact that the arrow is in flight longer at 50 than at 20. Wouldn't that be more then a step? Wouldn't that turn into a walk or a few steps? He said take a step, one step is not going to change from 20 to 50. Walking off or taking stepS to turn or change position is something totally different. My point is there are to many if's in his statement. If the OP wants to shoot at 50 then that is his choice don't beat him up over it. I will go back and reread the OP and see but I don't think was asking if it was ok but telling what his goal is. The key word there is HIS. Not yours, or mine but his. Personal I set my feeder up this year 30 yards from my stand. When I have set up things like that before I have had better luck with mature bucks coming in to the feeder. So I wanted to help my odds. In my stand I have the ability to shot much further. Do I plan to, no but if that Double Drop 200" deer(hypothetical) is stand there and it is you, him, and God you are going to take that shot weather you say you will or not. You make it you tell everyone I made a 45 yard shot. You miss or God forbid you wound him you will say "I don't know what happened, it looked like a good shot. It's just they way it is.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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08/08/15 03:16 AM
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Wes70
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Well, I'm primarily a traditional shooter, but since I will be hunting public land this fall, I decided to break out my compound. I've been practicing out to 50 yards, and if I can find a couple more pins, I'll push that out to 60 or 70. My goal is to be able to take a deer at 50 yards this fall. What's the farthest that you've taken a deer with a bow? He asked what is the furthest you have shot a deer? Not do you think I should. Once again if he wants to shoot that far that is his choice.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Wes70]
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08/08/15 04:02 AM
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Deer takes a step forward unexpectedly at 20 yards where do you think that arrow is going to hit? Can't use that in trying to prove your point.
With 30 yds difference??? Yes I can. Deer at 20 gets it in the liver where as deer at 50 gets it in the gut. But like I say, each to his own. Negative Ghostrider. The deers step forward is the same if I am sitting 20 yards out or 50 yards out. Step forward is a step forward. If you pull the shot or make a bad shot that is a different story. Sooooooooooooooooooo, you are saying, that an arrow will impact at the same spot at the same time at 50 yds as 20 yds? Got it!!
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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08/08/15 12:05 PM
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Deer takes a step forward unexpectedly at 20 yards where do you think that arrow is going to hit? Can't use that in trying to prove your point.
With 30 yds difference??? Yes I can. Deer at 20 gets it in the liver where as deer at 50 gets it in the gut. But like I say, each to his own. Negative Ghostrider. The deers step forward is the same if I am sitting 20 yards out or 50 yards out. Step forward is a step forward. If you pull the shot or make a bad shot that is a different story. Sooooooooooooooooooo, you are saying, that an arrow will impact at the same spot at the same time at 50 yds as 20 yds? Got it!! Ok let me try and explain it another way. You said step. Is that a step and stop or step then run, what? If that deer takes a step and stops and you are aiming at the same spot you are going to hit back in the liver or guts at 20 and the same spot at 50. Like I said before there are to many if's in your statement that is why I said you can't use that as an example. Yes the time it takes the arrow to get to the target from 20 to 50 is different but that is not what you said.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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08/08/15 02:11 PM
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I understand what Wes is saying. My experience though has been the deer starts to turn or step as I release and the impact is 3 to 6" of my intended poi and that is under 30 yards. A turning step is worse. Then it's a hope like hell the broadhead hits a blood vessel or enough liver to terminate the deer quickly with a blood trail you can follow. Which personally is getting tougher the more my eyes age. Especially in low light.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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08/30/15 12:16 AM
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Most experience bowhunters for whitetails keep their shots under 30, 40 max if they are very proficient and conditions are perfect. They will advise anyone to do the same.
They do this not because they are "one of those" who likes to dictate to others, they do it because whitetails are wary, jumpy, and quick SOBs and bad crap happens between the release of the arrow and its arrival - no matter how good a shot you are.
Good advice is just that - good advice.
Elk, mule deer, moose, sheep, etc. are a different story.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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08/31/15 01:26 AM
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Well, I'm primarily a traditional shooter, but since I will be hunting public land this fall, I decided to break out my compound. I've been practicing out to 50 yards, and if I can find a couple more pins, I'll push that out to 60 or 70. My goal is to be able to take a deer at 50 yards this fall. What's the farthest that you've taken a deer with a bow? 50 is just about max for anyone on a whitetaild most actually stop at 45(that's assuming perfect conditions.) Mulies, elk, antelope. Different story. Most people self imposed limit is half of what they shoot normally. To each there own
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: passthru]
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08/31/15 01:38 AM
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Well I agree with the up close approach. You want to stretch the distance then gun hunt. But then again, the long range guys only tell you about the one they find, not the several they don't. That's not true. Everyone has their own self imposed range, long range is just a term used by someone that thinks that range is really long. 50 yards to a recurve guy maybe 100 to a compound guy. To each their own, my limits are mine.
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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09/03/15 01:46 AM
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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09/03/15 02:46 AM
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My limit is 20-25 yards. We might/might not use to practice shooting $1 bills at 60 and 70 yards. Right there on Buckner Blvd. Closest to George wins! But NONE of those hunters shot game at 40+ yards. I guess I'm just not lucky, I had a nice buck jump the string at 30 yards, aimed lower 1/3 released, he jumped straight up, arrow went right under his chest! And stuck in a tree.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/03/15 03:36 AM
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Well, I'm primarily a traditional shooter, but since I will be hunting public land this fall, I decided to break out my compound. I've been practicing out to 50 yards, and if I can find a couple more pins, I'll push that out to 60 or 70. My goal is to be able to take a deer at 50 yards this fall. What's the farthest that you've taken a deer with a bow? 50 is just about max for anyone on a whitetaild most actually stop at 45(that's assuming perfect conditions.) Mulies, elk, antelope. Different story. Most people self imposed limit is half of what they shoot normally. To each there own Who knicked an Elk at what range?
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/03/15 03:39 AM
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Well, I'm primarily a traditional shooter, but since I will be hunting public land this fall, I decided to break out my compound. I've been practicing out to 50 yards, and if I can find a couple more pins, I'll push that out to 60 or 70. My goal is to be able to take a deer at 50 yards this fall. What's the farthest that you've taken a deer with a bow? 50 is just about max for anyone on a whitetaild most actually stop at 45(that's assuming perfect conditions.) Mulies, elk, antelope. Different story. Most people self imposed limit is half of what they shoot normally. To each there own Who knicked an Elk at what range? On faithful cool day on the western plains......a modern muzzle loader spoke an ungly name.....
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/03/15 03:53 AM
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Well, I'm primarily a traditional shooter, but since I will be hunting public land this fall, I decided to break out my compound. I've been practicing out to 50 yards, and if I can find a couple more pins, I'll push that out to 60 or 70. My goal is to be able to take a deer at 50 yards this fall. What's the farthest that you've taken a deer with a bow? 50 is just about max for anyone on a whitetaild most actually stop at 45(that's assuming perfect conditions.) Mulies, elk, antelope. Different story. Most people self imposed limit is half of what they shoot normally. To each there own Who knicked an Elk at what range? On faithful cool day on the western plains......a modern muzzle loader spoke an ungly name..... It was a WT at 139 yds by my RANGEFINDER and quartering hard away, shooting off the sticks in standing corn. Get the details correct now What range was your ELK size target again? ELK SIZE TARGET THERE KNICKEM
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Wes70]
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09/03/15 04:03 AM
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In Texas, I limit my shots to 30 yards and in Kansas, it is 50 yards. Longest shot is 42 yards in Kansas on a doe. My limit changes depending on the environment, the demeanor of the deer and my confidence. Ultimate goal should be a quick, clean kill and only the shooter can answer what the best chance for that is.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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09/03/15 04:54 AM
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My East Texas range for the "spooky" deer is 15-20 yards (very rarely get to draw because 90% of the time one of the deer are on alert) From my experience West Texas deer are easier and 30 yards is no problem. Rut and human pressure play a big factor.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/08/15 02:10 AM
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[quote=BOBO the Clown] It was a WT at 139 yds by my RANGEFINDER and quartering hard away, shooting off the sticks in standing corn. Get the details correct now What range was your ELK size target again? ELK SIZE TARGET THERE KNICKEM I don't remember the exact details other then he was further then I thought. Lesson learned was, range the animal not the tree you think he will be at. You just flat missed I just mis-ranged
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/11/15 01:47 AM
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Sqiggy, X2. cowboy needs a rifle. a bow hunter is up close and personal. Forrest
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/11/15 02:55 AM
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Tactical Cowboy
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Sqiggy, X2. cowboy needs a rifle. a bow hunter is up close and personal. Forrest Still wasn't asking permission or advice.
The secret to a long life is to try not to shorten it.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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09/11/15 05:54 AM
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Just grab a crossbow and be done with it.
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
[Re: Tactical Cowboy]
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09/11/15 12:03 PM
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Sqiggy, X2. cowboy needs a rifle. a bow hunter is up close and personal. Forrest Still wasn't asking permission or advice. So the point of your post was to enjoy the controversy or to start a conversation for exchange of ideas and information?
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Re: Long Range Deer Hunting
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09/11/15 02:16 PM
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I doubt cowboy will get on here and share with us all the deer he wounds or misses at 50 yards this year. But if by chance he gets lucky and kills one more power to him.
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