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 TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 04:15 AM
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I got a "Questionaire" from TPWD today regarding my thoughts on lead shot and non-lead shot for dove hunting in Texas. I'm not a waterfowl hunter, so my experience with non-lead shot is nonexistent. My first inclination is that changing to lead free shot for dove hunting is not necessary.
By the way, this is my first post (as you can see); longtime lurker though.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 04:27 AM
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Its only a matter of time!!!!!
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 04:29 AM
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I'd definately say no!!!!!!! I wish we could talk the powers that be into going back to lead on waterfowl because I think we are wounding a lot birds that lead would normally knock out of the sky. I didn't really think it to be that big of an issue until I went hog scouting this past spring bellow the dam at Lake X and found several "duck" skeletal remains that had to be wounded birds that survived the initial impact of the steel only to die from the trauma it caused.
Last edited by lakewaydr50; 01/21/09 04:35 AM.
Isaiah 40:31 "but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 04:31 AM
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
[Re: cmh2tx]
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01/21/09 04:31 AM
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Welcome to the THF.   Hope you enjoy the site. TP&W has been kicking the issue about Non-Toxic shot for use hunting dove for a few years now. Be aware of the fact that this is not something TP&W has instituted on its own, USF&WS has been working on getting this made a law, just like using Non-Toxic shot for waterfowl. It is one of those things that like a Glacier is moving toward us and we will be affected by it, but whether it is mandated this year or next is still up in the air. The point is, at some point we will have no choice and will be forced into using Non-Toxic shot for dove hunting.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 04:49 AM
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The public commentary is simply a formality. Steel for dove is a done deal.
If brilliant men are roses then I'm just a field of daisies.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
[Re: Crazyhorse]
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01/21/09 04:54 AM
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cmh2tx
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I re-read the cover letter,
"Some concern about the possible health effects of spent-lead from shotgun shells on doves and other wildlife is being expressed nationally....."
If they use my questionaire, lead shot will be in use for a long time to come.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
[Re: cmh2tx]
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01/21/09 05:06 AM
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Crazyhorse
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Read what Three Curl stated in his response, this is basically a "Get Ready" for it warning from TP&W.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 05:08 AM
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Been knocking em dead with #7 steel (my load of choice) for two or three years now. I got no problem with the change. Texas is just being proactive. The Feds will require it to be mandatory in due time. The bad is for those that are shooting older fixed choked guns. They will either be expensive to shoot with other non tox or will have to be retired rather than risk barrel damage.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 05:38 AM
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I got that Questionaire a while ago. Personally the only reason why I don't want to have to use steel for dove is the cost. People that say performance is an issue have not given steel shot a chance...I think a lot of people use it as an excuse as to why a bird didnt die. If they were using lead shot they probably wouldnt think much of it. I've had plenty of cripples using lead...most of the time it's because I hit the dove at the fringe of my pattern.
We had this discussion a few months back and we discussed the blind studies where hunters were given both steel and lead and in almost all cases the hunters thought they had lead because they were killing just as many.
Dear Lord please bullwhip me for saying this but I agree, Marcstar is in the lead. Please nobody use this as a quote!!!
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 05:40 AM
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I think the gov should offer a rebate on steel shot. 
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 07:20 AM
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Been knocking em dead with #7 steel (my load of choice) for two or three years now. I got no problem with the change. Texas is just being proactive. The Feds will require it to be mandatory in due time. The bad is for those that are shooting older fixed choked guns. They will either be expensive to shoot with other non tox or will have to be retired rather than risk barrel damage.
I agree. I shot steel #6 dove loads at dove at the late season split and had no problem with it. I wounded a couple but I don't think it would have made much difference if I had been using lead. I was shooting a 12ga so it might make a difference when shooting a 28 or 410 as I usually do during dove season.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 07:30 AM
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I have several sacks of lead shot that I am going to hold on to until its a couple hundred a bag......better return then my 401K!!!!!!
Lead is the new version of 8 track.....soon the kids will laugh when us old timers talk about it.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 07:42 AM
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Been knocking em dead with #7 steel (my load of choice) for two or three years now. I got no problem with the change. Texas is just being proactive. The Feds will require it to be mandatory in due time. The bad is for those that are shooting older fixed choked guns. They will either be expensive to shoot with other non tox or will have to be retired rather than risk barrel damage.
I am with you Sniper. I hope they change to steel today. Everything that happens all the way up to the midwest of this country winds up where I live, the Gulf of Mexico. Tons of lead are thrown out there every year. Do poeple just think it will go away. No the only way it can is to disolve into the water table. I am officially on the steel bandwagon.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 02:30 PM
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I think the gov should offer a rebate on steel shot.
TX Duck I'm with ya on that. While we've got a president that wants to give everything to everybody we might as well get that too!
Isaiah 40:31 "but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 07:04 PM
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I just hope when it does turn that the price of steel goes down. I cant beleive that it hasnt gone down yet, the copper I recycle has dropped from $2.70 per pound to 0.90 cents a pound.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 08:03 PM
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The iron they use in steel shot is no more expensive than lead...actually less...but the process to make it is more drawn out. If we were forced to use steel shot I'm sure they would come out with dove loads that would not break the bank. The steel waterfowl loads are pretty pricy and there is no way I could spend $15/box or whatever on dove loads. I guess I could but I would not hunt as much.
Dear Lord please bullwhip me for saying this but I agree, Marcstar is in the lead. Please nobody use this as a quote!!!
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 08:25 PM
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We all know lead and the impact on the environment is bad news. To me, they need to clean up the shooting ranges and ban lead outright. NOT so much for hunting. A few lead bb's in a pasture is not going to amount to much. We have all seen the effects of steel shot on ducks and geese. It lacks knock down power and unless your shots are no more than 35 to 40 yards many times we cripple and not kill. Takes a second or third shot on the water to kill em. So if anyone gets the survey from TP&W say NO to a ban on lead shot for doves and quail!
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 08:36 PM
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It's been a while since I took that survey but I don't really think it provides a place for you to say NO. it's just a bunch of specific questions.
I still will just have to disagree when it comes to performance. I think steel does the job if the shooter does his. My only problem with steel is the cost.
I have enough dove loads to last me two or three seasons I bet so I hope this ban doesnt come down the pipe too soon...but honestly I'm not too worried about it overall.
Dear Lord please bullwhip me for saying this but I agree, Marcstar is in the lead. Please nobody use this as a quote!!!
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 10:33 PM
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I hope its not next year. I have 3 cases of lead to shoot.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/21/09 11:44 PM
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I got the survey today in the mail. I don't care if they switch to all steel or non-toxic shot, but the price has got to come down. I buy Wally-world 4 box "cases" for around $15-16 and gives me 100 rounds of lead shot. I spend that much for one box of steel/non-toxic for ducks. I don't mind shooting steel, its all the same to me, but the switch would definitely dampen my hunting as I couldn't afford to go as much, especially with my lousy shooting at dove. 
Vegitarian - old indian word for "lousy hunter"
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/22/09 01:19 AM
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Once they get lead passed for dove hunting, then they are gonna make us hunt deer with non leaded bullets.
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
[Re: CurtisCatfish]
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01/22/09 01:41 AM
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Once they get lead passed for dove hunting, then they are gonna make us hunt deer with non leaded bullets.
Check Nosler site.....they came out with one in 08. Its on the way brother.......
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/22/09 01:56 AM
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Marcstar
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Once they get lead passed for dove hunting, then they are gonna make us hunt deer with non leaded bullets.
Who cares...you take like 2-5 shots a season...if you go crazy you might shoot an entire box in a couple of years. Plus you would just use some tungsten based stuff that's probably a better than lead anyway.
Dear Lord please bullwhip me for saying this but I agree, Marcstar is in the lead. Please nobody use this as a quote!!!
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Re: TPWD Questionaire - Non Lead Shot Dove Hunting
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01/22/09 03:40 AM
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I say go ahead with the steel shot restriction on all migratory birds. I come from a state that has gone so far as banned the sale of lead sinkers for fishing, and it hurt the retail business a little, but people still use the alternatives. If anything, maybe the cost of a box of non-toxic shells will keep people from taking questionable shots and thus will lessen the amount of cripples. It's probably gonna happen in the next few years anyway. Might as well pattern the dove gun with the Fiocchi #7, right SJ?
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