Oh so no hunting should be allowed on either side of the fence

Yep that's exactly what I ment bobo. Not!

There is a letter and intent to every law. I believe the state doesn not intend for property owners in areas with legally huntable deer to put as many people in there and kill a deer as they can.

Rights of the individual go so far as they start to effect the rights of others. Im not gonna argue about it with someone trying to put words in my mouth like

"Oh so no hunting should be allowed on either side of the fence"

have fun.

Thanks!

Like so many things in life, it's something that you know exists but never understand the full impact until it impacts you directly. Granted, the day lease doesn't border the areas that I hunt. But I truly feel for my friend who, as a landowner, has a much greater investment at stake. I also want to make others here more aware of this and other threats to their time and efforts.

Yes, there was a time when your only concern was the impact of a few hunters exceeding bag limits. This is something that has much greater potential to create havoc on your best game management efforts.

There isn't anything good going to come from a neighbor day hunting. Those that think there will be need to put down the pipe.

You left it pretty open ended. What do you want max hunter per acre laws or max deer killed per acre

Guys like you and Dan baffle the hell out of me. Ya let's make more laws that screws hunters. Let's put a black x brand on day lease hunters because they aren't real hunters like you because they cant afford a lease like you. They aren't real hunters because they aren't trophy hunters, they just want to kill a deer.


Go back and look at the perception of what you wrote. Better idea....at the very minimum try to find a positive or away to adapt!!!

You might be highly surprised. 2 of the three ranches I hunt in Texas have days leases next door. One we'll manage, the other no hold bar. Neither effect us. All they do is push deer to us more and more as pressure increases.

Make sure you refuse to pass their hunters Ed if they are day lessors

I have just the opposite problem. I bought 30 acres to hunt and one neighbor beside and one behind are anti-hunting. They gripe and drive up and down to keep me from killing "their" deer. I believe in game management and will take a barren doe or an inferior spike before a young doe or buck. Fom

Should you find yourself facing day leasing hunters, it appears your best weapon, next to plenty of posted signs, is good law enforcement. Basic logic points to day lease hunters being more apt to avoid going home empty handed, especially when landowners take more of a hands off approach.

While we're at it, how come I can only shoot 4 deer,(which I don't do) but if I day leased, in theory, we could shoot hundreds, legally? Splain that to me.

You guys are trying to defend something that, at its very core is wrong. Kinda' reminds me of the debate over the guy in Arizona, who had his cows on BLM land . Cliven Bundy, the Big hatted rancher guy who didn't want to pay the same grazing fees to BLM that his neighbors had too, in fact, he didn't want to pay ANY grazing fees and didn't for about 15 years or so....Oh yeah, I forgot he only OWNED 140 acres. Right is right and wrong is wrong. It's black and white to me.

If you can't figure out why you can shoot 4 deer and muliple people can shoot more than we can not help you on here...

But, I know a great 2nd grade teacher that can help you with math.
PM me and I'll get you their contact info. But I must warn you; their time isn't cheap.

What's the difference between the day leased ranch (and theoretically shooting hundreds of deer) and my private ranch if I were to invite a boatload of family and friends to shoot deer? Both cases can result in a very large deer harvest but still each individual is limited to the what he/she can harvest legally.

If you did it every day of the season, and invited a new group of family and friends each time, the potential impact would be the same.

Now do you get the picture?

Yes Dan...I already had the picture. My post was a rhetorical question, not a question of game management. I am well aware of managing deer herds (I've been doing it for many years on my ranch). Erathkid asked how come he could only shoot 4 deer but if he day leased his place literally 100's could be harvested. My post was an attempt to explain to him that the game laws don't limit how many deer are harvested off a ranch (unless you're in a MLD program), only that individuals are limited.

You are so clever. Why don't you go back to off topic where you belong? Your no hunter, you simply love stirring the pot and being a keyboard tough guy.

I don't want any new laws, just responsible people to make responsible decisions. Im not trying to make anyone into a trophy hunter.

Can you make a post without putting words in someones mouth? I didn't say I wanted to make a harvest per acre law.

How big are the properties that you hunt on that border day leases bobo?

small acreage day leases depend on deer traffic moving through their place. It's not about how they manage it, as they have no deer on their place to manage. High fence them out, and be done with it.

Manage deer herd = sounds like livestock.






Maybe have to pen some up in a feed lot a month before season. This thread, like many others, is entertaining for sure.

no, it's about appropriate care of a resource. People who shoot every deer that crosses their path for money, with no regard for their neighbors, or the overall impact to the range are [censored]... plain and simple. It's not rocket science, it's just common sense.

I don't want any new laws to be developed trying to curb absolute stupidity, however as mentioned... high fencing out the problem people running day hunts on a couple hundred acre place will work wonders.

You can legally shoot 100's off any property with out ever even leasing it.

Awwww. Sad.

200 and 2500. We shoot the biggest deer off the 200.

Not putting words in your mouth, you inferred it with your posts, if you didn't mean that then don't be so open ended. You guys want more laws but at the same time alienate a lot of good people whom just want to get out and hunt a little and kill a deer. 90 plus percent of Texas doesn't have an under populated deer herd. Ironically the lower you population numbers usually the higher the fawn recruitment meaning more twins. He'll some of the public land I hunt gives out a permit per 20acres yet a 200" deer gets taken almost every year. He'll very rarely do I go a sit without the abity to kill a deer.

These threads start out the same always first the landowner is a greedy Pig, then the hunters are dirt. Written or inferred