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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. no way would I want to be in the elk woods and come across a 1000 lb 7x7 200 yards across a meadow and have a .260 Remington in my hand. god gave us the 7mm Remington mag for a reason....its the upper threshold of what the average hunter can handle and packs a punch that will knock big animals in the dirt I have one of those, too, shooting 180s, and that's what I killed my elk with. So I know what you're saying. Still say with shot placement I and the 6.5's can get it done. I can show you pics of guys that have done it.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot
What's your point? I shoot a lot year round but yet also hunt every chance given. Same here. Every day I leave the house headed 40 miles to the range there is usually a 260 and occasionally a 7 Rem Mag butt down in the passenger floor board. And that is 2-4 days a week. So 2-4 days a week I'm making an occasional hunting shot but every day shooting at something. Big difference in punching paper or steel from hunting. Paper is to check zero, steel is to test myself. You miss steel its not a gut shot, its a miss, plain and simple. Sorry I cant tie hogs up at every berm to practice on.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/26/14 01:47 AM
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I would like to build a 6.5 AR-10, but I still haven't finished my last 300 BLK Out build What's the advantage of the 6.5 creedmoor vs 6.8 SPC?
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot The latter should include the former, but yes, these threads do reveal a great deal, often unintentionally. And since you somehow missed the point, here it is again in its entirety: Always interesting to me that women and kids drop lots of large animals every year with 243's, while grown men need some Uber Mag with Mega Death Ray magic bullet tips to drop a deer, or even worse, the mythical armor plated feral pig.
Shot placement trumps power.
Good shot placement comes from practice.
A person with a 260/6.5 CM is far more likely to practice for more rounds than the person with a big gun for the simple reasons it is more pleasant to shoot.
260/6.5 will kill stuff just fine with good placement. A super duper mag will not kill without it. eta: TxTrophy - who many rounds do you put through a 7 mag, and what bullets do you use? My 7 mag I'll shoot a few times a year to check zero and then whatever animals I shoot I use 140 grain ballistic silver tips for deer and 160 grain swift a-frames for bigger stuff
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot
What's your point? I shoot a lot year round but yet also hunt every chance given. My point is that the shooters are the ones that argue about ballistic coefficiencies and sectional densities and the hunters talk about what happens when you shoot animals with such and such bullet How many animals have you guys killed with these .260's and 6.5 creed mores to give your strong convictions of them? (I am a big believer in .26 caliber rounds for deer sized game, but you get my point)
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Have venison in the freezer for several years with a 260. Killed some big hogs with a 260. Dont know numbers, sorry.
How bout predator hunting? Is that still hunting? I kill more coyotes per year than anything else (save prairie dogs) and I've killed many outside a quarter mile. Hunting/ shooting/ killing that far and beyond, BC matters, the wind is usually a factor.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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I'll I'm saying, it's alot more impressive, when somebody questions a cartridges merit on game, to show alot of pics of dead animals than it is to post pics of ballistic charts and wind drifts and argue what cartridge is faster at 800 yards.
A .260 is a great cartridge....but it isn't doing anything on live critters that a .270 Hasent been doing since the 1930's, so why do these threads keep comming up about how it and the 7mm-08 and now the 6.5 creed are the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Do they work on game? Absolutely. Do they work better than cartridges that have been in production for 40+ years already....eh.....well....
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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I killed more pigs this year alone with the creedmoor than most people will in ten. It's a killer. I was just asking who is using it as their #1 deer rifle this year.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Im using my 6.5x55 close enough..lol ..
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/26/14 04:10 AM
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Some guys like nothing but 30 cal bullets, even 45 cal going slow, and theres nothing wrong with that.
I was just letting you know that they do work. Also, a 6.5 Creed and 260 Rem deliver more foot pounds at distance than the 308 Win.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If I were forced to be down to one single centerfire rifle it would be a 260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmoor. And I'd take it elk hunting. no way would I want to be in the elk woods and come across a 1000 lb 7x7 200 yards across a meadow and have a .260 Remington in my hand. god gave us the 7mm Remington mag for a reason....its the upper threshold of what the average hunter can handle and packs a punch that will knock big animals in the dirt From the Hornady site "Originally developed from the ground up to give competitive shooters a factory-loaded cartridge that would allow them to compete and win in the highest levels of competitive shooting. With pedigree firmly rooted in precision shooting, the 6.5 Creedmoor is making its way into the world of hunting. Chambered by both Ruger and DPMS in hunting rifles, the 6.5 Creedmoor is making its debut as a hunting round in our new Superformance™ line of ammunition. Loaded with both the new 120 grain GMX® and the venerable 129 grain SST®, the 6.5 Creedmoor brings a world of precision-based performance to the hunting arena, and it’s light recoil make it a DREAM to shoot for extended periods . It’s perfect for any North American game up to and including Elk." My AR 6.5 creed should be ready in a few weeks!
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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08/26/14 11:17 AM
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these types of threads really separate the guys that shoot a lot and the ones that hunt alot
What's your point? I shoot a lot year round but yet also hunt every chance given. My point is that the shooters are the ones that argue about ballistic coefficiencies and sectional densities and the hunters talk about what happens when you shoot animals with such and such bullet How many animals have you guys killed with these .260's and 6.5 creed mores to give your strong convictions of them? (I am a big believer in .26 caliber rounds for deer sized game, but you get my point) I personally don't use a 6.5 anything as I prefer the 7mm. Only reason I got into this discussion is because of some slight misinformation being given. That being said I shoot a lot of pigs for no other reason than trying out new bullets and it's fun. It's funny you limit it to deer size game the 6.5x55 has probably killed more moose than any other round out there and the creed/260 are ballistic twins to it.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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And everyone always touts shot placement. Well there ya go...moose.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Where did that hug go somebody was talking about???
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Last year I took mine with a 130gr VLD that had a MV 3000 FPS. (44.1gr of H4350) Laid a deer right down at 200 yards.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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6.5 x 280 AI...close to Nozzie 26's... ummm uhhh that sounds good, & in lots easier to find & cheaper brass too.
Horizon don't be shy and hide the "Good News" under a bush when you get it off the ground and running.
I assume a 26" barrel too. Redding doing dies yet? Ron
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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6.5 x 280 AI...close to Nozzie 26's... ummm uhhh that sounds good, & in lots easier to find & cheaper brass too.
Horizon don't be shy and hide the "Good News" under a bush when you get it off the ground and running.
I assume a 26" barrel too. Redding doing dies yet? Ron Redding will always do the dies it just costs a little extra if they are special. Or use a 280AI bushing die and just cange the bushing out.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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And everyone always touts shot placement. Well there ya go...moose. The moose in Sweden are not the 2000 lb beasts you see in the Yukon They are much smaller
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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So how big are they? Bout equivalent to North American wapiti?
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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So how big are they? Bout equivalent to North American wapiti? 600-800 lbs. But it's well known that moose are not as tough as elk. Lb for lb elk is one of the toughest animals out there. That being said, our own BMD just returned to Africa with his daughter and a pile of animals that fell to her 7mm-08 I'm not putting down the .260 or the 6.5 creedmoor as a hunting cartridge. Over personally seen kills made at 400 + yards with a .260 What my question was, was what do they offer a hunter over a .270 or a .280? And I'll stand by my statement that a .260 is not an elk cartridge.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Where do you find 1k lb Rocky Mountain elk
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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So how big are they? Bout equivalent to North American wapiti? 600-800 lbs. But it's well known that moose are not as tough as elk. Lb for lb elk is one of the toughest animals out there. That being said, our own BMD just returned to Africa with his daughter and a pile of animals that fell to her 7mm-08 I'm not putting down the .260 or the 6.5 creedmoor as a hunting cartridge. Over personally seen kills made at 400 + yards with a .260 What my question was, was what do they offer a hunter over a .270 or a .280? And I'll stand by my statement that a .260 is not an elk cartridge. 270/280----- SA and less recoil for similar performance. I built my wife 6.5 CM for as an Elk/Mulie/WT/Antelope gun. She doesn't shoot over 300 but I do.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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So how big are they? Bout equivalent to North American wapiti? 600-800 lbs. But it's well known that moose are not as tough as elk. Lb for lb elk is one of the toughest animals out there. That being said, our own BMD just returned to Africa with his daughter and a pile of animals that fell to her 7mm-08 I'm not putting down the .260 or the 6.5 creedmoor as a hunting cartridge. Over personally seen kills made at 400 + yards with a .260 What my question was, was what do they offer a hunter over a .270 or a .280? And I'll stand by my statement that a .260 is not an elk cartridge. I already showed you what it offers over the 270 at just 100 the 6.5 is already being affected less by wind.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Dee, thank you for that, that was my question
My question was is there any real world advantage to using a 6.5 in a real world hunting scenario
Again, I was not saying a 6.5 is inadequate
The argument tht they can be had in a gun a few inches shorter IMO is a moot point
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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Mute? Yet the 308, 7-08, 260/CM, 6mm, 243 are all extremely popular. Common theme shorter overall rifle, less barrel length temperament ,And excluding 308..less recoil.
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Re: Creedmoor as The deer rifle
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In Finland, where they locals call Shirras Moose an "Elg" in Swedish - Finland has 2 Official Languages ...Finnish & Swedish, left over from the thousands of years of occupation either by Sweden or Russia - the ones I saw were about the same % of difference as White Tails to Mule Deer...from western Canada. About 20-25% smaller on average, not only in body weight but in overall size and much smaller head gear.
When I was there in '84 the Finns had instituted a mandatory 30 cal & 200 gr minimum cartridge size along with an Energy minimum, so most of the 6.5x55 Swede 160gr RN's used on Moose probably came from Norway or Sweden where the populations are much larger. We used 30'06's & SAKO 200gr Hammerhead semi SP ammo that at the 100 meters running Moose Target we shot at Permit Qualifying, the ammo shot about like you would expect with lots of drop evident. The critter I saw in the bush but could not get a shot at, a mature cow, I'd of been surprised that a 160 gr RN at 2400fps would have put down, moving at a dead run in front of the Dogs & Beaters in the Line. But the 225lb field dressed & skinned Wtail Doe that was killed was stopped DRT.
Shirras just eat outstandingly well, and there is a small huntable population in Wyoming & Montana & mebbe Idaho on Once in a Lifetime Permit drawn by Lottery for Resident Hunters only. Seems like I saw some pics recently from either Glacier or Jellystone. Ron
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