I'm sure this has been a topic many times before but I am fairly new to the forum so cut me some slack........having not reloaded for 12 plus years I am wanting to start again and will be driving quite a distance Fri. to purchase powder etc.......OK this is what I am looking for.......a round good for deer, consistently accurate to 250 yds, with 2800 fps or less (preferably close to 2500 fps). I would like a powder that has a lot of latitude for
other options regarding fps and energy....... would this combination necessitate a cast bullit and it seems that many like Federal Eagle XMAE .223sp 63gr soft point and a veratile powder H33.

thanks, okiehuntr

Are you loading for a bolt action?

Remington 700 w/ tactical bull barrel not sure of the twist

oakiehuntr

60gr partition or 53gr tsx

60gr partition or 53gr tsx

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Scott

What powder and where would you start??

Does anybody know the twist for the Remington Tactical 700 .223 w/ bull barrel....guess the twist makes all the difference in the world in powder and bullet choices.

okiehuntr

if a 55 grain bullet is comming out at 2500 fps, it is going to be good for deer to about 20 yards.

that isn't enough energy to kill a deer or probably even a coyote at 250 yards

Why do you want 2800 or less? I've never heard anyone want less velocity. Also, I would NEVER shoot at deer more than 100 yds with such a small round. The .223 loses WAY too much energy that far. Its not a very good deer round, despite the many people on here who say it is. It is extremely limited.

And yes, the twist is very important. If it doesn't say on the barrel you can probably call Remington and find out.

Helomech, what difference does the powder make in a bolt versus automatic?

I shoot 60gr partitions out of a rem 700 they group very well. I use I think like 22 grains of benchmark, gets them going 3000 fps. I have killed many deer with it, several at 100 yards with body shots and no problems, furthest one ran was 20 yards and all were complete pass thrughs. The load shoots really well for me has great penetration and isnt a max load to increase longevity of brass.

matt

Why do you want 2800 or less? I've never heard anyone want less velocity. Also, I would NEVER shoot at deer more than 100 yds with such a small round. The .223 loses WAY too much energy that far. Its not a very good deer round, despite the many people on here who say it is. It is extremely limited.

First, I have harvested 2 bucks this fall with the .223 using Extreme shock 75 grain bullet going 28?? fps ..one at 75 yds and one @225 yds..both dropped in their tracks.....my needs for a slower round is a quieter round because in using a "sound suppressor" I will be able to SHOOT the neighbors dogs chasing the deer around my food plots!!
My first try at reloading .223 will start with 60 gr. nosler spitzer. CCI primer and 23.5 gr of Varget powder!!

okiehuntr

OH! I had no idea why you could want something like that. In that case try for heavier bullets. They will shoot slower and have a little extra punch. The 60 grain should be fine.

Another option for "dog control" would be the high powered air rifles they sell. Quiet and you'd be surprised at the power they have.

I went to Cabalas friday and the heaviest .223 bullet they had was 60 gr nosler, I will be ordering 75 gr from ?? maker from ?? supplier......I just finished my building my sighting in bench right outside my loading room.

okiehuntr

a 55 grain bullet is comming out at 2500 fps, it is going to be good for deer to about 20 yards.

that isn't enough energy to kill a deer or probably even a coyote at 250 yards

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SO txtrophy85, what is your style??? .45 or .50 cal. ???

okiehuntr

The twist on a 700 remington is 9.5, so is that better for accuracy and the ablility to use heavier bullets....also should I use a bullet with a higher or lower ballistic coefficient.

okiehuntr

I believe you need a faster spin than that. Like 1:7.

I think 9.5 will be fine. I think it's 1 in 10 for a 75 grain. I might be wrong though.

Okie, if your talking about factory 55 grain ammo it is actually closer to 3200 fps.

I think 9.5 will be fine. I think it's 1 in 10 for a 75 grain. I might be wrong though.

Okie, if your talking about factory 55 grain ammo it is actually closer to 3200 fps.


Cleankill, this is my plan.......the round in the chamber will be a slow, quiet, killer dog round and the second will be a 60 gr nosler for deer..if I see a deer I will eject the first round and be ready for deer..people do not get me wrong, I love dogs and train them professionally but my neighbor has intact pit bulls running loose all the time!

okiehuntr

I'm totally with you Okie, don't get me wrong. I'm just makin sure you knew how fast the factory ammo was.

If you're trying to get slow rounds I would definitely go as heavy as possible. Sierra 69 grain Matchking says you can use them in 1/7 and 1/10 inch barrels. Your rifle should be fine shooting those.

My 2 cents: First off you will need to keep the velocity below 1050 fps to acheive maximum benefit from your silencer. That is where the sound barrier will break causing a cracking sound which is pretty loud in its self. As for what weight bullet you will need, unless you have a 1:7 twist you cannot stabilize the heavier (needed) bullet weights which create enough enegry. You can try the 1:9 twist and it might work I know 1:12 will tumble them. To get to subsonic velocity try 3.5 grains of Unique and if you have good suppresor it will sound like a quite BB gun.

huntercurt, the 12 is definitely too slow. Sierra says you can use a 1/7 to 1/10 twist for the 69 grain. 1/9 should be fine.

My Gemtech "surpressor" (.308 model) makes my 22.250 52 gr sierra 39.2 gr. sound like a 22 mag and my .223 50 gr FMJ sound like a 22 long rifle...I want a "QUIET" round for 100 to 150 yds for sure 200 yds. better......1000fps will catch up to a stupid pit bull PLUS, at 100 yds "HOW" accurrate does it need to be?? A 2" group "WORKS"...........

okiehuntr

There's a rifle called the .300 whisper. It fires a really heavy .308 caliber round at sub-sonic speeds. Not the deadliest, but with a suppressor it is super quiet!

http://www.quarterbore.com/300whisper/index.html

Okie , How are you going to feel when your neighbor starts shooting your "trained stock dogs" ? I really don't think it's a good idea to shoot your neighbor's dogs. You may be a "Pit Bull Hater" like most of the nation but I'd bet your neighbor loves his Pits. That being said don't you think it's a bad idea, I mean look at Mike Vick, he just killed a few "Pit Bulls" what's so wrong with that? If you were my neighbor and you were killing my dogs, prison would be the only place you would be safe!! Maybe you should try talking to your neighbor instead of starting a WAR with him, and if you are going to shoot his dogs don't be a coward about, tell him first. If you don't act rationally about this why would you expect your neighbor to react rationally. BTW this is the TEXAS Hunting Forum! Just my 2 cents.

Yeh! Considered the whisper(rainbow trajectory at 175yds), don't have the extra bucks ($$$$). This way all I had in expenses was, modify rifle barrel, already had the .223...(the suppressor also goes on my 22.250), still needed to purchase dies, powder, bullets, etc. whichever rifle I used. Next time I get extra money might purchase a T/C with a caliber that is slow and flatter shooting.

okiehuntr

I know okie. I was just pointing it out. I didn't mean to suggest for you to buy one. I just think its a really cool round.

As far as the dogs, I'm willing to bet that the "talking" stage is past and there is need for more aggressive action. Just an assumption, I'm probably wrong about it.