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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: txshntr]
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08/04/14 10:37 PM
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stxranchman
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But since they came from a LF would it be ethical for a LF purest to harvest them without feeling guilty? Ethics has nothing to do with it, desire does... A LF purist would not shoot them in a HF. Many herds in HF ranches are native deer that were once LF deer or related to LF deer right outside the fence. The fence is where their issue is, not the deer in it What if the situation is reversed? HF native untagged deer gets onto your LF lease, would you shoot it? I am not a purist in any form, so hell yes. And if it escaped, it is no longer a HF deer. Might not be a native, but it isn't HF You must be busy today with this cliff notes short version of a reply
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/05/14 01:08 PM
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But since they came from a LF would it be ethical for a LF purest to harvest them without feeling guilty? Ethics has nothing to do with it, desire does... A LF purist would not shoot them in a HF. Many herds in HF ranches are native deer that were once LF deer or related to LF deer right outside the fence. The fence is where their issue is, not the deer in it What if the situation is reversed? HF native untagged deer gets onto your LF lease, would you shoot it?
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/05/14 03:01 PM
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So if you raise a deer in a HF and he gets to be a 300" buck then you station someone at the outside of the gate and chase him out and the person gets him as he is running out of the gate he can be put in the book? I have been wondering how that worked. Now the LF hunter has a clear conscience and everybody is happy.
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Re: Hypothetical question
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08/06/14 10:16 PM
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Yes, some DA left the gate open. Leave it the way you found it.. Yep
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/06/14 10:21 PM
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RICK O'SHAY
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yes... the gate was left open.
and whoever left it open needs to pay!
other than that I don't see a problem if your HF trophies didn't escape.
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Re: Hypothetical question
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08/06/14 10:38 PM
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I would sell the land and start fishing. Merica!
MERICA! all that needs to be said
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/06/14 10:41 PM
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So if you raise a deer in a HF and he gets to be a 300" buck then you station someone at the outside of the gate and chase him out and the person gets him as he is running out of the gate he can be put in the book? I have been wondering how that worked. Now the LF hunter has a clear conscience and everybody is happy. Makes just as much sense as having a fencing rule for your "club".
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/06/14 10:51 PM
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Makes for dangerous deer! Now they are educated...AND...have street smarts.
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/07/14 12:07 AM
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So if you raise a deer in a HF and he gets to be a 300" buck then you station someone at the outside of the gate and chase him out and the person gets him as he is running out of the gate he can be put in the book? I have been wondering how that worked. Now the LF hunter has a clear conscience and everybody is happy. it's called Fair Chase deer has choice HF or LF
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: 1860.colt]
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08/07/14 02:22 AM
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So if you raise a deer in a HF and he gets to be a 300" buck then you station someone at the outside of the gate and chase him out and the person gets him as he is running out of the gate he can be put in the book? I have been wondering how that worked. Now the LF hunter has a clear conscience and everybody is happy. it's called Fair Chase deer has choice HF or LF So that is where the term "Fair Chase" came from.
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: stxranchman]
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08/07/14 06:50 PM
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But since they came from a LF would it be ethical for a LF purest to harvest them without feeling guilty? Ethics has nothing to do with it, desire does... A LF purist would not shoot them in a HF. Many herds in HF ranches are native deer that were once LF deer or related to LF deer right outside the fence. The fence is where their issue is, not the deer in it What if the situation is reversed? HF native untagged deer gets onto your LF lease, would you shoot it? if it had freaky drop antlers or kickers or something and just stood there like it was one of them obviuos pen bucks I wouldnt kill it. If it looked like a normal AR buck how would I even know unless it watched my get ni the tree or something?
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/07/14 09:31 PM
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So if you raise a deer in a HF and he gets to be a 300" buck then you station someone at the outside of the gate and chase him out and the person gets him as he is running out of the gate he can be put in the book? I have been wondering how that worked. Now the LF hunter has a clear conscience and everybody is happy. it's called Fair Chase deer has choice HF or LF So that is where the term "Fair Chase" came from. got nothing against HF just never hunted on one. have had a real nice deer (not a 300") at edge of lease just not able to take shot i felt comfurtable with. it ended up jumping LF into an open field & pranced after two doe's. Fair Chaise all three wondered off inta the sunset. was just as proud as U shooting your 300" HF deer. guess its how i was raised open range is a Free deer.
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/07/14 11:33 PM
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HF-LF is all up to the individual. I guided hunters for many years. I have guided hunters from those who knew squat about hunting or shooting to many writers for national hunting magazines. I never had one complain about if they were hunting HF or LF. Those that think hunting HF is like shooting fish in a barrel have probably not hunted one. A good guide can make a hunt as easy or hard as he thinks the hunter wants it. I have had hunters that bragged on their knowledge of how to hunt an animal. The ones that bragged are usually the ones that finally cried uncle. I have a couple of Mouflon Rams in about 350 acres. They have been there since born a little over 3 years ago. They are as wild if not wilder than any on a LF place. I also have WT in there. They are as wild if not wilder than any I have on a LF place I have. Very few HF places are nothing but pens full of bottle raised animals with ear tags. The majority are good hunting operations that will give you just as much hunt as you want.
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/08/14 02:24 AM
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You own a property. Part is LF and part is HF. There is a gate between the two. The gate is left open and some deer from the LF go through the gate and are now in the HF. Is there anything wrong with this? No.
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/08/14 03:02 AM
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LF - HF, I thought I was always LF, but I may have goofed up. Back in 1975, during deer season I had gone home on vacation to do my annual meat gathering. Back then, the ranch had some fields with HF to save the crops from deer. Well, dad mentioned that the 32-20 wouldn't reach them deer at the 325 yards he usually saw them at. After unpacking, I took the 270, laid prone at the gate and shot that doe at 325 yds. Then we took the ranch truck and brought her to the skinning rack. What may be the goof us is that the deer was definitely in HF, but my body was on the LF side of the gate but the muzzle of the gun was in HF. As some of you know a weed is something that is growing where it is not wanted. ie, rose can be a weed!! ie, a deer unwanted in the field is a varmint. Therefore in my mind, I shot a HF varmint. Need to check with my shrink on this....
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/08/14 03:29 AM
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HF-LF is all up to the individual. I guided hunters for many years. I have guided hunters from those who knew squat about hunting or shooting to many writers for national hunting magazines. I never had one complain about if they were hunting HF or LF. Those that think hunting HF is like shooting fish in a barrel have probably not hunted one. A good guide can make a hunt as easy or hard as he thinks the hunter wants it. I have had hunters that bragged on their knowledge of how to hunt an animal. The ones that bragged are usually the ones that finally cried uncle. I have a couple of Mouflon Rams in about 350 acres. They have been there since born a little over 3 years ago. They are as wild if not wilder than any on a LF place. I also have WT in there. They are as wild if not wilder than any I have on a LF place I have. Very few HF places are nothing but pens full of bottle raised animals with ear tags. The majority are good hunting operations that will give you just as much hunt as you want.
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/08/14 09:39 PM
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Re: Hypothetical question
[Re: don k]
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08/08/14 10:21 PM
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You own a property. Part is LF and part is HF. There is a gate between the two. The gate is left open and some deer from the LF go through the gate and are now in the HF.
Is there anything wrong with this? How long is a piece of string? Marc
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