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 Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/29/14 01:46 PM
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Ironically TX has on of the biggest breeder programs in the country.
CWD was not brought into Texas via breeders, it came to us via wild deer in remote west TX.
The interesting thing about CWD was it was only discovered in CO after scientists used a high fence system to help deter or stop mule deer and elk migrations so that they could better observe them.....
Meaning its a natural occuring disease that mother nature concealed for a long time in the backcountry. Coyotes and other scavangers/predators have an efficient ability to conceal diseases
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/29/14 02:10 PM
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I'm not a pro high fence hunter and am not real fond of deer farms.
But....this is really flawed reporting the way this guy reports the CWD story. He reports this as facts but has absolutely no factual data to support his facts.
From what I've learned from facts is I agree with Bobo, this is a natural occurring disease similar to anthrax, and deer farms have nothing to do with this disease.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/29/14 02:13 PM
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Looks like an article written with an agenda. That agenda contains the "facts" as they want you to see them and not the true facts as they occur.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people? ![[Linked Image]](http://neoswarm.com/images/Bug_Crawling.gif)
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/29/14 05:15 PM
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therancher
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The article is full of mis-information and out right lies.
It reeks of class warfare as well. No doubt bleeding over from the political climate in this country. Suffice to say, if you agree with the basic premise of this article, you MIGHT be a socialist.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/30/14 02:28 PM
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Loved watching the bucks but didn't care for the story. That shot at the 2:25 mark has me scratching my head.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/30/14 03:26 PM
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No one "cares for the stroy", but it's something that needs paid attention to. Socialist,really? I'm a conservative who doesn't have their head in the sand. And if states don't do a better job regulating this, yeah there's that word, the Federal Gov't will and no one wants that. Class warefare? No, but saying so and trying to turn it political is a convenient way to deflect the need for a closer look. It's in part about the balance of being a conservationist versus an opportunist.
I didn't care for some of the reporting, but there were facts given to support SOME of the conclusions and where there weren't, it was acknowledged as such. Yes CWD is naturally occuring. But it is pretty easy to conclude that when you have an unusually high number of animals feeding mostly all together in a smaller regulated place, the chances "naturally" increase for easier widespread infection.
The reporting on how ehtical high fence hunting was interesting and less filled with facts, even though the guides they interviewed had some enlighting comments. I admit I'm not a fan, but not going to get on my soapbox about it becasue I know and respect the many here who might have a different opinion.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
[Re: Hoosier Texan]
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03/30/14 09:06 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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States are pretty hard core on it. Some are smarter/more common sense about their laws and regs then others for sure. But the colleralation between HF/breeders and CWD is a ploy. What they don't tell you is 100% of breeders have generations of historical health data on their deer. Something that can't be said for LF deer. Again CWD was discovered once they stopped migratory Mule deer and elk in CO to study them. In other words before when you were to see a dead mulie or elk in the back country you think, moutian lion, yote, old age..etc I'm not discounting CWD as a very bad disease, it is a very bad disease. But we are not going to eliminate it, nor stop it. What we can do is be more aware and informed on it, and make sensible management strategies around sound science, IMO My  on CWD
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/31/14 01:08 PM
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"Hoosier Texan", the lies in that article are just too many to chronicle. The implication that CWD spreads more in "deer farms" is a big one. There has never been any proof that high density feeding areas promote the spread of CWD (even though they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars TRYING to prove it). Want an example of how NOT to deal with CWD? Just look at Wisconsin. Until they hired Kroll to come in and help, they were well on their way to kill off a majority of their herd, based on bogus science.
Also, the article is filled with ignorant "fair chase" attacks against high fenced operations. And begins with the 99%'er mantra of the "elite few" want to have all hunting for themselves thereby ruining hunting for the "average Joe". Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, Texas has the best hunting of any state, and if you consider the exotic industry and 365 days of hunting, the best of any country. All available to both the "elite rich" and even more so the "average Joe". The reason it's that good, is that we have private land AND the freedom to manage.
The fact that you want MORE regulation indicts your profession of being a "conservative". Conservatives do NOT want more regulations and in fact are faithful to freedom.
Last, I'll note that two of the authors of that piece are from California. A place comfortable with losing it's freedoms. And based on your post I guess I'll have to add "Don't Hoosier my Texas" to my more commonly used phrase "Don't California my Texas".
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
[Re: therancher]
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03/31/14 02:32 PM
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"Hoosier Texan", the lies in that article are just too many to chronicle. The implication that CWD spreads more in "deer farms" is a big one. There has never been any proof that high density feeding areas promote the spread of CWD (even though they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars TRYING to prove it). Want an example of how NOT to deal with CWD? Just look at Wisconsin. Until they hired Kroll to come in and help, they were well on their way to kill off a majority of their herd, based on bogus science.
Also, the article is filled with ignorant "fair chase" attacks against high fenced operations. And begins with the 99%'er mantra of the "elite few" want to have all hunting for themselves thereby ruining hunting for the "average Joe". Nothing could be further from the truth.
Again, Texas has the best hunting of any state, and if you consider the exotic industry and 365 days of hunting, the best of any country. All available to both the "elite rich" and even more so the "average Joe". The reason it's that good, is that we have private land AND the freedom to manage.
The fact that you want MORE regulation indicts your profession of being a "conservative". Conservatives do NOT want more regulations and in fact are faithful to freedom.
Last, I'll note that two of the authors of that piece are from California. A place comfortable with losing it's freedoms. And based on your post I guess I'll have to add "Don't Hoosier my Texas" to my more commonly used phrase "Don't California my Texas". BRAVO!!! well stated! 
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
[Re: Hoosier Texan]
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03/31/14 04:13 PM
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I know one thing, x-factor is probably the ugliest buck I've ever seen. Not interested in shooting a pen raised monstrosity like that. Even if $ was no object. It ain't natural and looks like chit.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it.
Don't text and drive.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/31/14 04:33 PM
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Yuck.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/31/14 05:10 PM
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Amo, your deer are gorgeous. Nothing like that x-factor FREAK.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it.
Don't text and drive.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/31/14 06:10 PM
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
[Re: Erathkid]
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03/31/14 07:53 PM
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I know one thing, x-factor is probably the ugliest buck I've ever seen. Not interested in shooting a pen raised monstrosity like that. Even if $ was no object. It ain't natural and looks like chit. That deer has no value to me either. The problem is when people decide they want to make their personal preference everybodies' rule. And that is typically low fenced elitists. When was the last time you heard a high fenced rancher/hunter say "I don't think you should be able to hunt low fenced"?
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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03/31/14 11:08 PM
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I'm not being an 'elitist' when I say I don't like high fences, hey, it's your land, your fence. If anybody is being elitist it would be the folks with the high fence. I prefer to keep things as natural as possible. Nothing wrong with that.
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it.
Don't text and drive.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
[Re: Erathkid]
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04/01/14 04:13 AM
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I'm not being an 'elitist' when I say I don't like high fences, hey, it's your land, your fence. If anybody is being elitist it would be the folks with the high fence. I prefer to keep things as natural as possible. Nothing wrong with that. No one said or implied you were an elitist. Not sure where you got that. Did u read the article? It's entire subject was to imply that we need to "regulate" (read ban) breeding and high fenced ranches. That's what I referred to as elitist in my response to u. Not sure what u mean by high fenced ranchers are elitist, since I, like you, have no problem with others chosen methods. So, please enlighten me.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
[Re: therancher]
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04/01/14 01:11 PM
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I know one thing, x-factor is probably the ugliest buck I've ever seen. Not interested in shooting a pen raised monstrosity like that. Even if $ was no object. It ain't natural and looks like chit. That deer has no value to me either. The problem is when people decide they want to make their personal preference everybodies' rule. And that is typically low fenced elitists. When was the last time you heard a high fenced rancher/hunter say "I don't think you should be able to hunt low fenced"? So now you blame HF pen-raised antler porn on LF hunters? I've seen some stretches in logic before, but that takes the cake. And your last sentence is a nonsensical red herring. I have no expertise on the CWD issue. But the story and numerous other stories like it show this immutable fact: if you pen up a bunch of animals, shoot them, and call it "hunting"-many folks (hunters and non-hunters alike) are going to react negatively to it. For obvious reasons. Gives all hunters a black eye.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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04/01/14 02:04 PM
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Uhhhh no. The only thing I blame anyone for is wanting to decide how others should hunt. Which is exactly all I said. Never indicted personal preferences, except when they drive one to manufacture or accept bogus theories in order to ban activities enjoyed by others. Maybe a little more sleep would enhance your reading comprehension?
The only "immutable fact" illustrated in the article is that some anti hi fence people will draw and support erroneous conclusions, if they feel it helps in their quest to outlaw high fences.
And no, my last sentence wasn't nonsensical at all. It pointed out the fact that the only folks wanting to ban activities are on one side of this argument. Again, more sleep NP. Try it.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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You are a nice ambassador for the HF folks. I'm sure they appreciate your efforts.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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Maybe. But I champion freedom to pursue interests of low fence hunters too. Individual freedom is important to me.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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Article is just as extreme as some of the animals he is talking about. Most things in excess are not good for you. News articles are written to be read and the more extreme a response that reporters can get, the more papers, magazines, etc. they can sell.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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Maybe. But I champion freedom to pursue interests of low fence hunters too. Individual freedom is important to me. I'm betting neighbors next to your high fences probably don't think you are a very good champion of their freedom to pursue their interests.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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Maybe. But I champion freedom to pursue interests of low fence hunters too. Individual freedom is important to me. I'm betting neighbors next to your high fences probably don't think you are a very good champion of their freedom to pursue their interests. You'd probably lose that bet. My two HF ranches do not have any low fence neighbors, they are HF too, and don't envy me at all. My low fenced place doesn't have any HF neighbors. And if someone put a fence up on my border it would please me.
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Re: Indianapolis Star Article"Trophy deer industry linked to disease, costs taxpayers millions"
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One thing I know for sure. If these arguments must be had, they should be had behind closed doors in our own community, not aired out for the non-hunting majority.
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