AKs are not range toys but they are a ton of fun on a steel silhouette range. If you are going to punch paper from a bench with hand loads and measure the groups, it's going to be depressing.

Don't expect much.

Care to explain?

My Zastava O-Pap pulls off paper plate groups at 50 yards with iron sights only, so they are more accurate than people give them credit for. With an optic and more experience with the gun (have shot it twice, 200 rounds through it) I'm sure it would shrink that group a lot.

Most that I have shot were 3-4 MOA with cheap ammo, but a couple where around 1.5 with good ammo in a bullet weight that they liked. If you are doing mag dumps over and over again then you will be luck to hit the berm at some point, but that is true of any rifle. Just AKs with big magazines & cheap ammo tends to bring out the spray and pray mentality in some people.

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Most folks I know that say AKs are inaccurate are less knowlageable about firearms than they think. Like the guys who work the gun counter at a box store.

I just left the iron sites on mine for fun and for nostalgia sake. It keeps 3" groups at 50 yards. That is all I ever expected. I bet it can keep a pretty tight group at 100 yards with a scope.

New Saiga coming soon. This is new AK-107 clone.
It debuted in march 2013 in Izhevsk. It use balanced automatic system, and accuracy increaced.
But i don't know what about margin of safety.

Call it luck but it sometimes you can make them work for you. Just don't expect repeat performances.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9aFATFbJ04

1 MOA with Saiga, with open sights in 100 yards? I think author of this video true storyteller.

Shoot the dam thing and post a pic already.

I believe Red jacket Firearms built a "1000 yd Ak" on "Sons of Guns" they can be accurate but i have yet to find a decent way to mount any optics that is remotely trust worthy.

I wouldn't believe everything you see on TV especially that show. I'm not a hater, I want an AK just haven't took the plunge yet, but I want me a SBR Krink. Not looking for bench rest accuracy.

I think they're more accurate than people give them credit for, I've hit just about everything I've shot at with mine... they're no bench rifles but I think they'll do they're part if the shooter does theirs...

mine are a Romanian and an SBR PAP

I think that rifle was a .308 though, not a 7.62x39.

I once read the AK-47 was built with a lot of "slop" for just one reason, and at a price for accuracy. Unlike the M-16 that jammed like heck for soldiers in Vietnam, it was built to always fire despite even the worst abuse and neglect.

No question, if you had the choice between a gun with a large magazine that's less accurate but never jams, or one that's more accurate but may leave you totally defenseless, you would take the former.

"NAM"

Milled with a good load I would fully expect 2-3 MOA max. I had a Yugo M70 that would shoot 3moa off sandbags at 100 with the Ultimak system and a Primary Arms Micro Dot. I never bothered to load for it, the Hornady Steel Match ammo with VMAX bullets was cheap and plenty accurate for my purposes. Most people who think the AK is a horribly inaccurate platform are either basing their opinion on pure conjecture, second hand evidence, or have owned the crappiest of crappy AK's. Just like not every AR is a Daniel Defense, not every AK is an Arsenal.

That depends on the person. I think most are happy with < 1MOA....I personally won't own gun that won't shoot a .25-.5MOA...and I want to be closer to the bottom than the top.

Most stock bolt rifles with stock ammo are 1.5 MOA, which is plenty accurate for deer up to 400 yards.

The direct impingement system of the AR has less barrel flex, which is inherent in these systems where the piston is on the barrel.

Frankly the 0.25-0.5MOA is only needed by very few who spend a lot of money and shoot very far. Or is the product of internet imagination. Joe Cossack AK will kill deer/pigs out to 200 easy, which is further than the vast majority of hunting shots in most of Texas.

When you're "hunting" on their ground ammo is available where you find them. When you shoot they don't know if it's one of theirs or not. There are several reasons for picking one up and using it when the situation is right.

Do you own a rifle?

Most frontline units do not allow AK usage....not because you can't hit anything with it..but because it's distinguishing sound and they don't want their own people shooting each other up. Special ops and recon do use them.

He asked the question, I provided my answer. I specifically said it depends on the person.



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