Forums46
Topics538,308
Posts9,735,632
Members87,078
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
Blackcloud
#4948621
02/02/14 01:20 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 38
RC Hunter
OP
Light Foot
|
OP
Light Foot
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 38 |
I used Black Cloud shells with the cutter shot exclusively this year on ducks and Geese. The results were impressive compared to round steel shot. I've never folded so many birds on the first shot or so few cripples. Made me a believer in the cutter shot
Skin him Pilgrim, I'll git you another
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4948624
02/02/14 01:23 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,415
jdk1985
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,415 |
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4948625
02/02/14 01:23 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,415
jdk1985
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,415 |
Although, I did think about trying it too
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4948674
02/02/14 02:06 PM
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 12,987
hoof n wings
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 12,987 |
I thought about them also.... till I saw the price
I'd ask him if he's pregnant. He missed a s__tload of periods. I'll take "things that look like a uterus" for $200 Alex.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4948689
02/02/14 02:18 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 961
TTUGrad08
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 961 |
Did the meat get torn up real bad? My experience was that they do drop them but didnt leave much meat left.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: TTUGrad08]
#4948696
02/02/14 02:29 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 11,788
wal1809
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 11,788 |
Did the meat get torn up real bad? My experience was that they do drop them but didnt leave much meat left. Where did the meat go? Was it torn off in shreds and dissipated because of the magnum force of •••••• BLACKCLOUD•••••• dunt- da-nana!!!!' I like hearing the old movie dint-da-nana in my head every time we talk about black cloud. I can see Phil Robertson's endorsement photo now. Standing on a pile of ducks 3 feet high holding 1 spent Black Cloud shell casing. Maybe he has on a golden cape and a golden cap with black cloud logos on it.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4948838
02/02/14 04:00 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,398
Pittstate
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,398 |
The two differences between $10/box cheap federals and $25/box black cloud federals is the shot shape and the wad. The difference between folding and wounding a duck is energy and pattern. We all know that the heavy soft metal like lead is the best all around load to get the best energy and more pellets on target (there are way more expensive metals that perform as well or better in some instances....). IMO what gives Black Cloud the most advantage is the wad it uses. It acts like a pattern master chock tube by keeping the shot closer together (front to back), so more pellets hit the target. I don't see the great advantage with the shot shape on this shells.
So, if you want Black Cloud knock down power, you could just buy the cheap federals and a pattern master choke tube. Just my 2 pennies
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949208
02/02/14 07:01 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,570
Marcstar
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,570 |
There could be a chance that you've improved your shooting vs years past or you just noticed the kills more. It's like of like when you buy a new truck...after that you start noticing all the other people driving the same truck and you could think more people are driving that truck now...or maybe you just didn't notice in the past.
Dear Lord please bullwhip me for saying this but I agree, Marcstar is in the lead. Please nobody use this as a quote!!!
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949353
02/02/14 08:04 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 733
ArkansasTraveler
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 733 |
I was anti black cloud and pro expert for quite a while. I burned through a case of xperts quick this year and ended up having to buy BC's simply because gander or academy was out of everything but BC's. I was highly impressed with them after shooting them. It is possible that I shot much better when I used them, but it seemed like every bird I hit was stone cold dead, and I shot the first 6 ducks I shot at. Could be a coincidence, but I am impressed by them. Wish they were cheaper though
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949501
02/02/14 09:09 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 11,788
wal1809
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 11,788 |
As Pitt said, tuning a choke will allow any pattern to knock there butts for a loop.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949515
02/02/14 09:26 PM
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 691
Texan1554
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 691 |
Get a good choke and stick with normal but not cheap loads.
I've seen more than a few of those wads stick in barrels. Spooner, the gunsmith at Mack's had seen so many blowups and stuck wads he and chuck (store manager) decided not to carry them in the store. They've now dropped em all together.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949847
02/03/14 12:47 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,607
Revoman
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,607 |
I use BC exclusive on sandhill crane. Love the #2 and #3. Wore them out again this weekend. Need to get another case by next season, one box left.
Call'm an Kill'm
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949848
02/03/14 12:47 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 548
FWBanger
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 548 |
I merely threw an empty black cloud hull and knocked a spoonie's bill smooth off.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: Revoman]
#4949931
02/03/14 01:24 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,398
Pittstate
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,398 |
I use BC exclusive on sandhill crane. Love the #2 and #3. Wore them out again this weekend. Need to get another case by next season, one box left. You can use lead on Cranes and you are buying steel at over $1 a shell? 2 3/4 #5 lead will wear them cranes out!
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4949972
02/03/14 01:37 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,607
Revoman
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 1,607 |
I like it, use what you want
Call'm an Kill'm
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: Pittstate]
#4949992
02/03/14 01:46 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,228
Jeff Elder
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,228 |
I use BC exclusive on sandhill crane. Love the #2 and #3. Wore them out again this weekend. Need to get another case by next season, one box left. You can use lead on Cranes and you are buying steel at over $1 a shell? 2 3/4 #5 lead will wear them cranes out! Well maybe he might want the chance to shoot a goose if one comes in.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: Revoman]
#4950280
02/03/14 04:21 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,415
jdk1985
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 13,415 |
Instagram @justinkingwoodworking
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4950393
02/03/14 05:34 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 6,659
Hopedale
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 6,659 |
I've got nothing to add to this. I'm only posting, so in a few months, I can repost ttt. Just for Deckhand. He loves discussing the fine art of the BC shell.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: jdk1985]
#4950913
02/03/14 04:42 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,339
caldwelldeerhunter
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,339 |
x2 use what you feel comfortable with. Its all about having confidence when shooting
If I put my wife in a high fence will her rack get bigger?
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4950978
02/03/14 05:03 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 9
ChriStyle
Green Horn
|
Green Horn
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 9 |
Here is my input on this. I shoot exclusively BC because my gun patterns the best with the vortex choke and I can't seem to shoot or I say aim better with other shells. I don't know why. I just shoot better with BC and also I think the price is a bit higher because I think it has something to do with the cutter design but mainly I think it's because of more powder that they may use. And I also believe that's why it knocks down the ducks better and less cripples. Now with the "cutter be be's" that is just a gimmick. I was cleaning my duck and finally ran into one of the cutters and it is round and dull!! It doesn't enhance the penetration! The pellet was just under the skin! And I do notice that the BC make the gun dirtier too.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: ChriStyle]
#4952531
02/04/14 12:22 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 391
Going Green
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 391 |
Here is my input on this. I shoot exclusively BC because my gun patterns the best with the vortex choke and I can't seem to shoot or I say aim better with other shells. I don't know why. I just shoot better with BC and also I think the price is a bit higher because I think it has something to do with the cutter design but mainly I think it's because of more powder that they may use. And I also believe that's why it knocks down the ducks better and less cripples. Now with the "cutter be be's" that is just a gimmick. I was cleaning my duck and finally ran into one of the cutters and it is round and dull!! It doesn't enhance the penetration! The pellet was just under the skin! And I do notice that the BC make the gun dirtier too. The "cutter be be's" you are referring to are called "flight-stopper pellets" and they only account for a fraction of the total payload. The rest are round, that may be what you found. As far as patterning goes, I think its kind of a moot point to bring it up unless you have a high $ slow motion camera you can measure shot string with. If it all shows up on a target at 40 yards nicely, but gets there over a long period of time, your pattern is crap. As far as powder charge size being bigger, it is written right on the box and its the same as any other company depending on the size. I'm with Wal on this one. I used to shoot BC because i was a sucker for their great marketing. Then I realized that Kent Fasteel worked just as well and cost at least 1/3rd less. Bottom line, use what you want, but unless you have hardcore scientific method to back up a claim about one brand of shell vs. another, its a pointless discussion.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4952881
02/04/14 03:42 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 494
817cd
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 494 |
They should do blind studies on ammo like Rx medication. Would love to see the placebo effect of when someone who thinks they are shooting high end rounds when they are actually shooting the cheap stuff and vis versa.
Never used photoshop and never will. Photoshop is for liberals.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: Going Green]
#4952908
02/04/14 03:52 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 9
ChriStyle
Green Horn
|
Green Horn
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 9 |
Here is my input on this. I shoot exclusively BC because my gun patterns the best with the vortex choke and I can't seem to shoot or I say aim better with other shells. I don't know why. I just shoot better with BC and also I think the price is a bit higher because I think it has something to do with the cutter design but mainly I think it's because of more powder that they may use. And I also believe that's why it knocks down the ducks better and less cripples. Now with the "cutter be be's" that is just a gimmick. I was cleaning my duck and finally ran into one of the cutters and it is round and dull!! It doesn't enhance the penetration! The pellet was just under the skin! And I do notice that the BC make the gun dirtier too. The "cutter be be's" you are referring to are called "flight-stopper pellets" and they only account for a fraction of the total payload. The rest are round, that may be what you found. As far as patterning goes, I think its kind of a moot point to bring it up unless you have a high $ slow motion camera you can measure shot string with. If it all shows up on a target at 40 yards nicely, but gets there over a long period of time, your pattern is crap. As far as powder charge size being bigger, it is written right on the box and its the same as any other company depending on the size. I'm with Wal on this one. I used to shoot BC because i was a sucker for their great marketing. Then I realized that Kent Fasteel worked just as well and cost at least 1/3rd less. Bottom line, use what you want, but unless you have hardcore scientific method to back up a claim about one brand of shell vs. another, its a pointless discussion. hmm let me correct my term then sir. Those flight stoppers was exactly what I found from the bird I shot. They aren't as sharp as they advertise this. And as for as powder, yeah they do all state the load on these shells but how come I hear other folks complain that other shells kick harder than others? and how come some folks say BC does more damage than other shells? and yeah all ammo will do the job. Every bullet will kill. But like I said..BC patterns with my choke the best out of other ammos so that's why I use it.
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: ChriStyle]
#4954430
02/05/14 04:03 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 391
Going Green
Bird Dog
|
Bird Dog
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 391 |
hmm let me correct my term then sir. Those flight stoppers was exactly what I found from the bird I shot. They aren't as sharp as they advertise this. And as for as powder, yeah they do all state the load on these shells but how come I hear other folks complain that other shells kick harder than others?and how come some folks say BC does more damage than other shells? and yeah all ammo will do the job. Every bullet will kill. But like I said..BC patterns with my choke the best out of other ammos so that's why I use it. 1. Because they didn't have their PF Flyers tied with a double knot. 2. Without a high speed camera to capture the length of your shot string, what you end up with when you pattern on a paper target is a 2D picture of a 3D pattern. Its ok that you shoot black cloud, but its 100% based on your perception, not science. Again, pointless discussion. You can go back through all the threads and you'll find that there is no clear winner in this discussion. Just accept the fact that $10 of every box you buy goes straight to Phil Robertson's pocket, and move on!
|
|
|
Re: Blackcloud
[Re: RC Hunter]
#4954451
02/05/14 04:19 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,398
Pittstate
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,398 |
They claim the wad keeps the shot close together like a Pattern Master choke tube. I have shot a case of Blind Sides, Heavy Metal and Black Cloud this year (along with several other brands) and hands down the best load for 40 to 50 yard shots has been Heavy Metal. The biggest downside with all three is that they tear the crap out of birds at close range. Even at 1675 fps with the Blind sides, they tend to "peter out" after 35 or so yards. Black Cloud seems to go down hill after 40 yards. Of course this is just me doing the shooting and no expert. With all this being said, I will take any free shells I am offered! If I am paying, it is the cheapest shell I can find for decoying ducks and geese. I like #4 and #2 for ducks and #2 and BB for geese. If I need to pass shoot them, I would rather stay home.
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|