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Blackcloud #4948621 02/02/14 01:20 PM
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I used Black Cloud shells with the cutter shot exclusively this year on ducks and Geese. The results were impressive compared to round steel shot. I've never folded so many birds on the first shot or so few cripples. Made me a believer in the cutter shot


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Although, I did think about trying it too


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Re: Blackcloud [Re: RC Hunter] #4948674 02/02/14 02:06 PM
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I thought about them also.... till I saw the price


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Did the meat get torn up real bad? My experience was that they do drop them but didnt leave much meat left.


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Originally Posted By: TTUGrad08
Did the meat get torn up real bad? My experience was that they do drop them but didnt leave much meat left.


Where did the meat go? Was it torn off in shreds and dissipated because of the magnum force of

•••••• BLACKCLOUD•••••• dunt- da-nana!!!!' I like hearing the old movie dint-da-nana in my head every time we talk about black cloud. I can see Phil Robertson's endorsement photo now. Standing on a pile of ducks 3 feet high holding 1 spent Black Cloud shell casing. Maybe he has on a golden cape and a golden cap with black cloud logos on it.

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The two differences between $10/box cheap federals and $25/box black cloud federals is the shot shape and the wad. The difference between folding and wounding a duck is energy and pattern. We all know that the heavy soft metal like lead is the best all around load to get the best energy and more pellets on target (there are way more expensive metals that perform as well or better in some instances....). IMO what gives Black Cloud the most advantage is the wad it uses. It acts like a pattern master chock tube by keeping the shot closer together (front to back), so more pellets hit the target. I don't see the great advantage with the shot shape on this shells.

So, if you want Black Cloud knock down power, you could just buy the cheap federals and a pattern master choke tube. Just my 2 pennies

Re: Blackcloud [Re: RC Hunter] #4949208 02/02/14 07:01 PM
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There could be a chance that you've improved your shooting vs years past or you just noticed the kills more. It's like of like when you buy a new truck...after that you start noticing all the other people driving the same truck and you could think more people are driving that truck now...or maybe you just didn't notice in the past.


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Re: Blackcloud [Re: RC Hunter] #4949353 02/02/14 08:04 PM
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I was anti black cloud and pro expert for quite a while. I burned through a case of xperts quick this year and ended up having to buy BC's simply because gander or academy was out of everything but BC's. I was highly impressed with them after shooting them. It is possible that I shot much better when I used them, but it seemed like every bird I hit was stone cold dead, and I shot the first 6 ducks I shot at. Could be a coincidence, but I am impressed by them. Wish they were cheaper though

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As Pitt said, tuning a choke will allow any pattern to knock there butts for a loop.

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Get a good choke and stick with normal but not cheap loads.

I've seen more than a few of those wads stick in barrels. Spooner, the gunsmith at Mack's had seen so many blowups and stuck wads he and chuck (store manager) decided not to carry them in the store. They've now dropped em all together.

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I use BC exclusive on sandhill crane. Love the #2 and #3. Wore them out again this weekend. Need to get another case by next season, one box left.



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I merely threw an empty black cloud hull and knocked a spoonie's bill smooth off. lol35

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Originally Posted By: Revoman
I use BC exclusive on sandhill crane. Love the #2 and #3. Wore them out again this weekend. Need to get another case by next season, one box left.


You can use lead on Cranes and you are buying steel at over $1 a shell?

2 3/4 #5 lead will wear them cranes out!

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I like it, use what you want



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Originally Posted By: Pittstate
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I use BC exclusive on sandhill crane. Love the #2 and #3. Wore them out again this weekend. Need to get another case by next season, one box left.


You can use lead on Cranes and you are buying steel at over $1 a shell?

2 3/4 #5 lead will wear them cranes out!


Well maybe he might want the chance to shoot a goose if one comes in.


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use what you want


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I've got nothing to add to this. I'm only posting, so in a few months, I can repost ttt.


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use what you want


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Here is my input on this. I shoot exclusively BC because my gun patterns the best with the vortex choke and I can't seem to shoot or I say aim better with other shells. I don't know why. I just shoot better with BC and also I think the price is a bit higher because I think it has something to do with the cutter design but mainly I think it's because of more powder that they may use. And I also believe that's why it knocks down the ducks better and less cripples. Now with the "cutter be be's" that is just a gimmick. I was cleaning my duck and finally ran into one of the cutters and it is round and dull!! It doesn't enhance the penetration! The pellet was just under the skin! And I do notice that the BC make the gun dirtier too.

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Originally Posted By: ChriStyle
Here is my input on this. I shoot exclusively BC because my gun patterns the best with the vortex choke and I can't seem to shoot or I say aim better with other shells. I don't know why. I just shoot better with BC and also I think the price is a bit higher because I think it has something to do with the cutter design but mainly I think it's because of more powder that they may use. And I also believe that's why it knocks down the ducks better and less cripples. Now with the "cutter be be's" that is just a gimmick. I was cleaning my duck and finally ran into one of the cutters and it is round and dull!! It doesn't enhance the penetration! The pellet was just under the skin! And I do notice that the BC make the gun dirtier too.


The "cutter be be's" you are referring to are called "flight-stopper pellets" and they only account for a fraction of the total payload. The rest are round, that may be what you found.

As far as patterning goes, I think its kind of a moot point to bring it up unless you have a high $ slow motion camera you can measure shot string with. If it all shows up on a target at 40 yards nicely, but gets there over a long period of time, your pattern is crap.

As far as powder charge size being bigger, it is written right on the box and its the same as any other company depending on the size. I'm with Wal on this one. I used to shoot BC because i was a sucker for their great marketing. Then I realized that Kent Fasteel worked just as well and cost at least 1/3rd less. Bottom line, use what you want, but unless you have hardcore scientific method to back up a claim about one brand of shell vs. another, its a pointless discussion.



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They should do blind studies on ammo like Rx medication. Would love to see the placebo effect of when someone who thinks they are shooting high end rounds when they are actually shooting the cheap stuff and vis versa.


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Originally Posted By: ChriStyle
Here is my input on this. I shoot exclusively BC because my gun patterns the best with the vortex choke and I can't seem to shoot or I say aim better with other shells. I don't know why. I just shoot better with BC and also I think the price is a bit higher because I think it has something to do with the cutter design but mainly I think it's because of more powder that they may use. And I also believe that's why it knocks down the ducks better and less cripples. Now with the "cutter be be's" that is just a gimmick. I was cleaning my duck and finally ran into one of the cutters and it is round and dull!! It doesn't enhance the penetration! The pellet was just under the skin! And I do notice that the BC make the gun dirtier too.


The "cutter be be's" you are referring to are called "flight-stopper pellets" and they only account for a fraction of the total payload. The rest are round, that may be what you found.

As far as patterning goes, I think its kind of a moot point to bring it up unless you have a high $ slow motion camera you can measure shot string with. If it all shows up on a target at 40 yards nicely, but gets there over a long period of time, your pattern is crap.

As far as powder charge size being bigger, it is written right on the box and its the same as any other company depending on the size. I'm with Wal on this one. I used to shoot BC because i was a sucker for their great marketing. Then I realized that Kent Fasteel worked just as well and cost at least 1/3rd less. Bottom line, use what you want, but unless you have hardcore scientific method to back up a claim about one brand of shell vs. another, its a pointless discussion.


hmm let me correct my term then sir. Those flight stoppers was exactly what I found from the bird I shot. They aren't as sharp as they advertise this. And as for as powder, yeah they do all state the load on these shells but how come I hear other folks complain that other shells kick harder than others? and how come some folks say BC does more damage than other shells? and yeah all ammo will do the job. Every bullet will kill. But like I said..BC patterns with my choke the best out of other ammos so that's why I use it.

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Originally Posted By: ChriStyle
hmm let me correct my term then sir. Those flight stoppers was exactly what I found from the bird I shot. They aren't as sharp as they advertise this. And as for as powder, yeah they do all state the load on these shells but how come I hear other folks complain that other shells kick harder than others?and how come some folks say BC does more damage than other shells? and yeah all ammo will do the job. Every bullet will kill. But like I said..BC patterns with my choke the best out of other ammos so that's why I use it.


1. Because they didn't have their PF Flyers tied with a double knot.
2. Without a high speed camera to capture the length of your shot string, what you end up with when you pattern on a paper target is a 2D picture of a 3D pattern. Its ok that you shoot black cloud, but its 100% based on your perception, not science. Again, pointless discussion. You can go back through all the threads and you'll find that there is no clear winner in this discussion. Just accept the fact that $10 of every box you buy goes straight to Phil Robertson's pocket, and move on! up



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They claim the wad keeps the shot close together like a Pattern Master choke tube. I have shot a case of Blind Sides, Heavy Metal and Black Cloud this year (along with several other brands) and hands down the best load for 40 to 50 yard shots has been Heavy Metal. The biggest downside with all three is that they tear the crap out of birds at close range. Even at 1675 fps with the Blind sides, they tend to "peter out" after 35 or so yards. Black Cloud seems to go down hill after 40 yards. Of course this is just me doing the shooting and no expert. With all this being said, I will take any free shells I am offered! If I am paying, it is the cheapest shell I can find for decoying ducks and geese. I like #4 and #2 for ducks and #2 and BB for geese. If I need to pass shoot them, I would rather stay home.

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