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Why only 3 woodies?? #4924407 01/21/14 07:27 PM
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Why only 3 woodies? Wish it were 6!


I don't always shoot deer, but when I do, I prefer B&C's.
I don't always shoot ducks, but when I do, I prefer banded ducks.
Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924409 01/21/14 07:28 PM
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Not long ago it was Two.

Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924419 01/21/14 07:31 PM
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So it's easier to kill a limit of em, lol


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924444 01/21/14 07:36 PM
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They're mostly local and I assume the idea is that there is limited nesting habitat so they have less reproductive capacity than more migratory migratory waterfowl.

In other words, I have no idea.

Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924491 01/21/14 08:02 PM
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I agree that they seem to be more local birds than migratory. Think of it like quail. if you shot them all out of a particular place how long would it take them to come back?

You need to leave a viable population.


Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924498 01/21/14 08:07 PM
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Heck I'd be happy with 1. Never shot one and I want to so bad I can't see straight


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: TexasEd] #4924501 01/21/14 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted By: TexasEd
I agree that they seem to be more local birds than migratory. Think of it like quail. if you shot them all out of a particular place how long would it take them to come back?

You need to leave a viable population.



I would tend to agree with this assesment, though I really have no clue...


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: CinchMan] #4924512 01/21/14 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted By: CinchMan
Heck I'd be happy with 1. Never shot one and I want to so bad I can't see straight


SHHHHHHHHH!!!

Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924598 01/21/14 08:54 PM
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See below: The same applies to all ducks. In Wood ducks there is a low local breeding population, but most breed up north and migrate south. Banding data indicate that approximately one-fourth of all ducks alive in September die from natural causes within a year - more than are killed by hunters. With a natural mortality rate of anywere from 22% to 45%. Dove have a 70% mortality rate annually, Quail which are rare now have an 88% mortality rate annually regardless if they are hunted or not. In Dove and Quail high mortality rates lead to the high bag limits we have because regarless of being killed by hunters, or not most will die anyway. The formulas are more complicated in waterfowl and not exactly apples to apples.


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It is more complicated than this but in short. All waterfowl bag limits are set by formulas that include annual total species breeding population success, breeding habitat conditions, harvest trend estimates and natural mortality loss estimates. These all fluctuate year to year. There is a predetermined percentage of annual breeding population loss that can be sustained and not result in overall population loss of the species. Each flyway and state affects these numbers. Overall populations of Redheads are much much lower than say Mallards the most abundant. The current model results are only 2 redheads can be harvested, 5 mallards.

Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: GriffGruff78] #4924665 01/21/14 09:30 PM
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Heck I'd be happy with 1. Never shot one and I want to so bad I can't see straight


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??? Lol


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924672 01/21/14 09:33 PM
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There was a day that the end of the wood duck was a very real possibility. Getting the limit to 3 is awesome.


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: duckboy007] #4924705 01/21/14 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: duckboy007
There was a day that the end of the wood duck was a very real possibility. Getting the limit to 3 is awesome.

THIS^


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924754 01/21/14 10:20 PM
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You want a squealer then go to Tyler or anywhere east or south of there. They are the black jack of the piney woods. Ive had many client from the Tyler area or southeast TX pass on them for Sprigs or Mallards.


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Jeff Elder] #4924794 01/21/14 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Elder
You want a squealer then go to Tyler or anywhere east or south of there. They are the black jack of the piney woods. Ive had many client from the Tyler area or southeast TX pass on them for Sprigs or Mallards.

im disappointed when i see woodies fling. the conversation usually goes like this:
"ducks on the left, get down."
"nevermind, wood ducks."


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I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924802 01/21/14 10:42 PM
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the simple answer to the original question is this: there really is no way to determine how many wood ducks there are. They can tell that the numbers are generally up from a decade ago, but they really cant determine how much of an increase there is.

Most bird surveys used to set harvest regs are done in the breeding grounds using flyover counts. Wood ducks, well, they nest and rear young in the woods. you cant fly over in a plane and count birds that live in the creeks and flooded timber.


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I like spoonie, his humor is dryer than my duck lease.
Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4924837 01/21/14 10:55 PM
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Seems like back in the '60s you could not legally take a wood duck. I used to hunt the Concho River down near San Angelo, they were there but ?? Anyone remember back then?


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: CinchMan] #4924853 01/21/14 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: CinchMan
Heck I'd be happy with 1. Never shot one and I want to so bad I can't see straight


That was my goal this year! Got one on Monday (probably my last hunt for season). Unfortunately I blew its head clean off.


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Originally Posted By: ishootspoonies
Originally Posted By: Jeff Elder
You want a squealer then go to Tyler or anywhere east or south of there. They are the black jack of the piney woods. Ive had many client from the Tyler area or southeast TX pass on them for Sprigs or Mallards.

im disappointed when i see woodies fling. the conversation usually goes like this:
"ducks on the left, get down."
"nevermind, wood ducks."


+1


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Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Number 1 Barnie] #4925889 01/22/14 01:33 PM
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pretty birds, look good on the wall.


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Originally Posted By: TXbowhunter1317
Why only 3 woodies? Wish it were 6!


Because a woody lasting 4 or more hours...


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Im good with three I never want to see them go. or get low in numbers. Ill shoot them before any other bird... they eat better than mallards anyway.

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Why only 6 ducks? Why only 15 dove? Why is season this long? Why cant we hunt in February?
Because the feds said so..

Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: Rowney] #4926151 01/22/14 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rowney
pretty birds, look good on the wall.


There aren't many ducks that surpass them on the plate, either.

Re: Why only 3 woodies?? [Re: jdk1985] #4926259 01/22/14 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: jdk1985
Originally Posted By: TXbowhunter1317
Why only 3 woodies? Wish it were 6!


Because a woody lasting 4 or more hours...

LOL

If you look at the annual duck surveys you will notice that Wood Duck numbers are not represented due to the fact that they cannot be surveyed by traditional means. I'm happy with three, of course I haven't come remotely close to hitting my limit on Wood Ducks this year.

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I agree about the fact that years ago the numbers were way down. I know that some wildlife officials are "bunny lovers" but generally the guys that set the seasons and limits know their stuff. This is one of those things where you have to trust the wildlife people who set the rules.

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