Let this one ride.

Sorry people who have made nothing but mistakes from the beginning.

Usually when outfits hunt back to back spots day after day (if it's not producing) are just money hungry.

This one is on them.

So who's more wrong...the guide who didn't produce ducks or the customer that didn't pay?

I don't think its that cut and dried Rooster. If he told them that they didn't owe him on top of their deposit and then pocketed the money they gave him for the lodge, I'd say he's wrong for that, not for the lack of birds.

For 200.00 bucks I don't think they will sure. They would have to get a judgement in Arkansas the get an atty to get a judgement in Texas. That is a lot of $ for 200.00.
But they could put your name out there and it might be hard to get lodging if you go back.
Jeff is right about the rip off guides in Stuttgart. Anyone that has a pair of waders and a duck call around there is a duck guide.

Was the lodge owner cute?

If not, sue them to the fullest extend of the law.

The guide....he asked for an amount of money on Sunday....that is it...if he screwed up, that falls under "the price of training is expensive"

Yeah, but you had to hunt with Elder and the swamp pit...that is punishment enough

I had a similarly awful experience with a "guide service" operating out of the same area several years ago. The only plus is my buddy and I won the hunt at BPS. I wouldn't pay the guy another penny but I would keep in mind that a reputable service in that area charges $600-$800 per day. I know your GF had her heart in the right place but if a deal sounds too good to be true it probably is. At least you got to see and shop at Mack's. Next time you have $150 to spend on a hunt book Elder and save yourself some gas money.

Yeah, I know...I was just poking. But every guide on here knows its COD now!

Its $175 now...but he wont rip you off. The guys got integrity, I'll give him that.

If I understand this right the $200 is for the lodge owner not the guide? Pay the lodge owner. She didnt break it off in you on a bad hunt.

I'd say he shoots a few ducks too

It is all one outfitter...the guide was not listed on the website. The lodge owner is in on the game.....no pay

Never seen or heard of a hunt where the guide service lodged someone in another persons lodge and didn't handle all of the money from the clients, just doesn't make sense unless he referred y'all to the lodge. If you've never even spoke directly to the lodge guys then I'd keep my money, they're not gonna sue for $200 and the whole 'just pay em off to shut em up' bit is a pretty spineless move...

Who cares if they sue they have no leg to stand on. Also who gives a shot about the lodge owner, if you set it up with the guide it's his deal.

I only spoke to the lodge owner once and that was Saturday night. Everything else was done through the guide. I realize that the lodge owner (Debby) may very well had nothing to do with it but the 200 bucks I paid on Sunday was for her, not the outfitter. That's the last time I will ever assume anything when it comes to who gets paid what. I think they're in on it together. And this was a great learning experience. I may not ever go back to Arkansas, and as far as the "you get what you pay for" comments. This was a gift, she clearly didn't know any better and she was just trying to give me the best Christmas present she could think of. Im not going to fret over it until I get a letter of intent and a subpoena. Then I might consider sending them a box of 200 penny's for them to count or set up a payment plan of 1$ every month for 200 months.

Have them bill you. If they don't attempt to collect, why would they take you to court? If it's not in writing, it never happened. "What $200?" "I don't understand" "What are you trying to sell me?"

Did you post the name of that outfit EVERYWHERE yet?

and no only on here, their website is set up so that to leave a review you have to email them your review, and of coarse they will not post a bad review on their website...

To me that is like a car salesman calling you a few days after you bought your car and saying " But sir! We gave you the wrong price! The car is actually 500 dollars more! We need you to come back and pay us!" Sorry Charlie…..done deal. This is something THEY need to chalk up as experience….NOT YOU. I wouldn't give it another thought.

Not the customers responsibility. The guide in this situation is responsible for paying the lodge owner. Sounds like he probably lied and told the lodge owner that you left and didn't pay. You shouldn't pay anything. This was a business deal and the guide and lodge owner obviously dont know how to run there business. This is the problem with guides these days. They just do business in this nonchalant way. I have went with two guides this year and never even signed a release. I wont go into details but its out of hand. In this case the lodge owner should bill the guide. Plain and simple! he shouldn't give the lodge owner 200 just because shes out money and he did use her services. She should do the booking and billing directly with the customer or hold the guide responsible since he is collecting money on her behalf and not requiring any paper work. First rule of business COVER YOUR A$$!!!!

I agree that I would not pay anything until I explained it to the lodge owner directly what you paid the guide. It looks like the problem is there's not yours.

Don't pay one red cent until you actually hear from the Lodge owner.

HA!!!! I had a dealership I Houston do that exact thing several years back!!!! Land mark chev