Some of your open carry advocates and promoters:

I'd go so far as to say those guys in that picture are the epitome of what the 2nd amendment stands for.

And I'd be happy to discuss it.

The New Black Pan­ther Party(NBPP), the largest orga­nized anti-Semitic and racist black mil­i­tant group in Amer­ica, has announced plans to expand its inter­na­tional activ­ity and out­reach after a del­e­ga­tion of its lead­ers returned from a March trip to South Africa and Zimbabwe.

In the group’s online radio broad­casts on Black Power Radio in April, the NBPP lead­er­ship dis­cussed the trip and their plans to increase mem­ber­ship through addi­tional out­reach in South Amer­ica, the Caribbean, Canada and the rest of Africa.

In South Africa, the del­e­ga­tion met with mem­bers of the Pan-Africanist Con­gress of Aza­nia, a minor pan-African polit­i­cal party, and in Zim­babwe they met with Pres­i­dent Robert Mugabe’s cab­i­net (Mugabe did not attend the meet­ing). NBPP National Chair­man Malik Zulu Shabazz later made his sup­port for the Zim­bab­wean dic­ta­tor clear, offer­ing to have a web­cast up on the NBPP web­site “within 60 days” in sup­port of Mugabe in the upcom­ing elec­tions. He also hopes to have the web­cast shown on the Nation of Islam (NOI)’s website.

Shabazz also said that over 200 Black orga­ni­za­tions from around the world will con­vene in South Africa for a con­fer­ence focus­ing on pan-Africanism on June 16, 2014, the anniver­sary of the Soweto Stu­dent Upris­ing that took place on the same day in 1976. Shabazz explained that Africa should be as cen­tral to African-Americans as “Israel is to the so-called Jew and all over the so-called Jew­ish Diaspora.”

Mem­ber­ship reports on the recent trip to Africa on Black Power Radio have fre­quently devolved into hate­ful rhetoric against whites, Jews, and other groups. National Spokesman Chawn Kweli referred to the NYPD as the “Jew York Police Depart­ment” and to the “Zionist-Jewish con­trolled media out­lets.” National Field Mar­shal King Samir Shabazz, prone to often vio­lent racist rants, called on NBPP mem­bers to shine their boots and press their uni­forms, adding that the “crease should be able to cut that cracker’s throat in half and watch his head roll down the street.”

Samir Shabazz also called on Black Mus­lims to make their Hajj to Africa instead of to Mecca. “I hate to say this but Mecca is not my home. I’m a Mus­lim but…I can’t see myself walk­ing around no black stone with those God­damn crack­ers any­way.” Instead of par­tic­i­pat­ing in the rit­ual act of throw­ing stones dur­ing the pil­grim­age to Mecca with “smelly Arabs and crack­ers,” he indi­cated that he would rather go to Africa and “throw some stones at six white peck­er­woods.” Samir Shabazz also went on a [censored]­pho­bic rant, express­ing dis­may at see­ing same-sex cou­ples in Africa. He said that it “blew his mind” since he didn’t know that “the white man got Africans fag­gin’ and sag­gin’ like they do in America.”

I'm going to tell you what I see: Intimidation. The New Black Panthers are thugs using the aegis of 2A to further their ends.

Do you think the public in general will think you are any better than the Black Panthers? I think the comments on here from gun owners has shown that being an arse like the Black Panthers will not farther the agenda. I think it will hurt more than help.

I would hope they do. The NBPs are a racist, militant black nationalist group.

But when you say "you", do you mean me? Because I haven't advocated blatant OC. In fact, two threads I recently responded to in the OT forum (that were later moved) I wrote that although I support OC, this is a bad time for the OC long arm crowd to try this risky gambit of asserting a right that might well be abridged or rescinded given sensationalistic press coverage of mass shootings, mid-term elections and the likelihood of one or two Supreme Court justices appointed before BHO's presidency ends.

And I did in fact specifically quote a member that did assert the NBPs were epitomizing the intent of the 2A. He posted that below the pics of the NBPs, so I can only presume he meant them, since the Starbucks mooks weren't specifically mentioned.

Here's something to think about... You've got a nut job thinking of going into a Starbucks and blowing away a dozen or more people. On his way into said Starbucks he sees a "2nd ammendment touting nutjob" with an AR strapped to his back... And he walks away... You'll never hear that story on the news.

We don't have a prayer at keeping our rights if we keep fighting each other. What is the point of having the right to bear arms if we don't exercise it? The only people bitching about this being "thrown in their face" are the ones who would rather us not have those rights. The ones who forget what this country would be like if we didn't have those rights.

I doubt seriously anti-gun groups have done more than the Yoyo's like this to push this new stance.

We're I an officer and walked into that place and seen that, Mr. Bonehead would have been at gun point, Mr. Bonehead would have been on the ground, Mr. Bonehead would have been cuffed and Mr. Bonehead would have went to jail.

On what charge?

I'm starting to dislike the Long gun open carriers as well. The press is bad, and those who listen to the press flock to the polls. But until the law is changed, I don't believe he is breaking any law.

We're I an officer and walked into that place and seen that, Mr. Bonehead would have been at gun point, Mr. Bonehead would have been on the ground, Mr. Bonehead would have been cuffed and Mr. Bonehead would have went to jail.

Whatever side of the fence someone is on statements like this have to bother you. I dont know Hwyman and not saying he is or was in law enforcement but its scary to think there are law enforcers with this mentality.

Bingo, I am also waiting to hear what bogus charge hwyman would be hauling this guy to jail for.

Ummm... The answer is pretty obvious. See: CJ Grisham.

An officer can go up to a law abiding citizen, instigate a confrontation, then arrest the "suspect" on any number of charges related to the confrontation. Resisting arrest, interference with a public official, etc.

Unfortunately, HWYMAN has already proven LEOs have the ability to do so.

It's certainly changed my perception. Police are elite, we are simple subjects. Laws mean nothing: the POLICE are the LAW.

You're a mess

I doubt seriously anti-gun groups have done more than the Yoyo's like this to push this new stance.

Is this guy hunting pastries? Why does he have the shotgun in the ready position?