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11/13/13 11:17 PM
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The vet wanted to inject my 7 year old Brittany to help her gimpy leg. Very expensive route, but I've talked to some other folks that have used a supplements with good success. Cured both dogs of their noticeable leg pain.
But, I wanted to get other folks' opinions. Do you have any personal experience with it and your dogs good or bad?
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/13/13 11:23 PM
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I've always recommended trying glucosamine. Many dogs benefit... and many do not. It's impossible to tell which category your dog will fall into. Be sure and give the glucosamine at least 3 weeks before coming to a conclusion. Most products also contain chondroitin.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple.....and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/14/13 12:25 AM
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What about rymadil or something similar (
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11/14/13 12:46 AM
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Yep rymadil one a day plus vitamins and a glucosamine tablet. I had a eight year old pointer that had orthiritis bad in back leg. Dog quit eating and I thought would die last hunting season. today he eats 4-cups of dog food still thin. two days before I hunt him a will get him two tablets a day while we are hunting.
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11/14/13 04:31 AM
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I kept a labrador going like a house afire for 10 yrs after she was diagnosed at two with bad hips. I gave her daily doses of glucosamine+MSM (1500 mg. of each).
People I hunted with would tell me there was no way that dog had bad hips...that is only because they never saw how pitifully crippled she was if I let her run out and didn't get her back on it within a week or ten days. I only did that once. Then, I took her for a shot of adequin to tide her over until the supplement could thicken her synovial fluid back up.
BTW: I bought human type normally at Walmart or Sam's Club...alot cheaper than the vet type suppliments.
It might not work for your dog, but then it is cheap enough that you have to give it a try!
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/14/13 02:02 PM
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Rymadril, and Deramax are anti inflamatories. Glucosimine helps with the joints. One of my labs has had 2 tplo surgeries, and a torn meniscus. He gets a Deramax, and glucosamine every day. I also give him adequan injections. He is still competitive at 9.
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/14/13 02:59 PM
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We did try an anti-inflammatory when this first started but it didn't work. I'm not sure if what the vet gave her was rymadil or not. Is this worth a shot? Costco Glucosamine MSM My Brittany is 43 lbs, so would half the dosage do the trick?
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/19/13 02:58 AM
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I don't like rimadyl for one reason- dogs must eat while taking it or they will begin to bleed internally and most vets don't tell you this! glucosamine has worked well for my great dane (just our house dog) she has very bad legs and health problems. we buy the large supplement bottles from sams club/Costco tha tare made for people. don't waste your money on the pet version.
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/19/13 03:56 AM
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I don't like rimadyl for one reason- dogs must eat while taking it or they will begin to bleed internally and most vets don't tell you this! glucosamine has worked well for my great dane (just our house dog) she has very bad legs and health problems. we buy the large supplement bottles from sams club/Costco tha tare made for people. don't waste your money on the pet version. Appreciate the hyperbole.... To be specific, Rimadyl is an NSAID, just like ibuprofen, naproxen, and Celebrex. All NSAIDS, to some degree or another, can cause gastrointestinal ulcers in a small minority of individuals, canine or human. Taking an acid-blocker, like Tagamet or Pepcid, in conjunction with the NSAID can decrease the chance of ulceration, but it cannot completely eliminate it. In my nearly-40 years in clinical practice, I saw only one dog with a perforating gastric ulcer from taking Rimadyl--a big, goofy Mastiff that required surgery to save his life. It must be said that the use of Rimadyl helped this arthritic giant live functionally for several years, allowing him to walk with some degree of comfort. So in this case, Rimadyl giveth and Rimadyl taketh away. But to simply make the blanket statement that all dogs will begin bleeding internally while on Rimadyl is a disservice to dogs and dog owners. Giving the drug with a meal is always good policy with most any NSAID, and giving a Pepcid is even better. But let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No drug is 100% safe. Not aspirin, not even Benadryl. And truly dangerous drugs eventually get pulled off the market. The margin of safety with Rimadyl makes it a useful drug, and it may add years of comfortable walking to your arthritic dog's life. Don't hesitate to use glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM. And don't be afraid of Rimadyl either.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple.....and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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Re: Glucosamine
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11/19/13 04:21 PM
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I've had both my labs on Dasuquin for the last 10 weeks and I really think it works. My lab that had ACL surgery was a little stiff last weekend but recovered very quickly.
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11/25/13 12:20 AM
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im not saying to avoid the drug. im saying I personally do not use it for my dogs because of the fact that it has killed a few dogs who belonged to my friends and one of my own. yes it helped with their stiff joints, however they wouldn't eat despite every effort recommend by my vet and they began to bleed internally. We were not even warned this could happen or that it should be taken with food to avoid it. My goal in my previous post was to notify dog owners who use the drug of this importance. Like I said, not all vets warn of this.
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11/25/13 01:04 PM
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I don't like rimadyl for one reason- dogs must eat while taking it or they will begin to bleed internally and most vets don't tell you this! glucosamine has worked well for my great dane (just our house dog) she has very bad legs and health problems. we buy the large supplement bottles from sams club/Costco tha tare made for people. don't waste your money on the pet version. Appreciate the hyperbole.... To be specific, Rimadyl is an NSAID, just like ibuprofen, naproxen, and Celebrex. All NSAIDS, to some degree or another, can cause gastrointestinal ulcers in a small minority of individuals, canine or human. Taking an acid-blocker, like Tagamet or Pepcid, in conjunction with the NSAID can decrease the chance of ulceration, but it cannot completely eliminate it. In my nearly-40 years in clinical practice, I saw only one dog with a perforating gastric ulcer from taking Rimadyl--a big, goofy Mastiff that required surgery to save his life. It must be said that the use of Rimadyl helped this arthritic giant live functionally for several years, allowing him to walk with some degree of comfort. So in this case, Rimadyl giveth and Rimadyl taketh away. But to simply make the blanket statement that all dogs will begin bleeding internally while on Rimadyl is a disservice to dogs and dog owners. Giving the drug with a meal is always good policy with most any NSAID, and giving a Pepcid is even better. But let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. No drug is 100% safe. Not aspirin, not even Benadryl. And truly dangerous drugs eventually get pulled off the market. The margin of safety with Rimadyl makes it a useful drug, and it may add years of comfortable walking to your arthritic dog's life. Don't hesitate to use glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM. And don't be afraid of Rimadyl either. Or it's sisters Metacam and Deramax. One product will sometimes work better then the others. It's worth putting your dog on these medications. It adds quality years to your dogs life. Angie
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11/25/13 05:40 PM
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i'm not sure that glucosamine actually works! i've had rheumatoid arthritis for 15 years and started taking glucosamine almost immediately and took it for 2 years religiously and nothing changed until i started on fish oil so i wouldnt waste my money on it. Kal-Can makes dog food with fish oil and its sold at walmart and my old dogs have done so much better since getting on it and 2 of them were rarely up and waiting at the backdoor for me...2 weeks later after having been on the kal-can theyre back at the door licking my hand when i come out. try it its only $19 a bag and its worked wonders on my herd of Catahoulas
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12/02/13 03:00 PM
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Well, we're over two weeks into treatment and there is a noticeable improvement. Her "gimp" is pretty much gone. The only time it came back in the last week was on Thanksgiving when she was left in the back yard all day while we were gone. Hunting chichi birds all day had her a little gimpy, but she was better the next day. Clearly better off than she was.
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12/02/13 03:26 PM
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I am using cosequin, that contains glucosamine for my 90+ lb lab. Our vet recommended fish oil as well. I get the cosequin at walmart and fish oil at the grocery store. It has made a noticeable difference in his limping.
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Re: Glucosamine
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01/30/14 06:03 PM
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Update: I worked her for 4 hours last week with a few water breaks throughout. Didn't push any birds but kicked up a couple of jack rabbits. Smooth sailing, not even a gimp the next day. It has completely relieved her of her joint pain. Two thumbs up...
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Re: Glucosamine
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01/30/14 06:16 PM
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i'm not sure that glucosamine actually works! i've had rheumatoid arthritis for 15 years and started taking glucosamine almost immediately and took it for 2 years religiously and nothing changed until i started on fish oil so i wouldnt waste my money on it. Kal-Can makes dog food with fish oil and its sold at walmart and my old dogs have done so much better since getting on it and 2 of them were rarely up and waiting at the backdoor for me...2 weeks later after having been on the kal-can theyre back at the door licking my hand when i come out. try it its only $19 a bag and its worked wonders on my herd of Catahoulas Rheumatoid arthritis is a totally different ballgame from degenerative, or osteo, arthritis. Dogs almost never get the rheumatoid version, buy it can rarely happen. Proper treatment of rheumatoid arthritis requires the use of some specialized medications. And glucosamine isn't one of them.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple.....and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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Re: Glucosamine
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01/30/14 08:55 PM
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Glucosamine is suggested by the specialist that I have seen numerous times and ive tried it on way more than 1 occasion and its never made any difference...my point is that it doesn't work and you would be better off looking at different alternatives
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Re: Glucosamine
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01/30/14 08:58 PM
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I'm on my phone its hard to type but if you knew of all of the many many people who are told to use it by the dr. For all types of arthritis
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Probably the most frustrating thing to a dog owner, and his doctor, is the extremely variable results you get with glucosamine. With most medications, you've got at least a 90% likelihood that you will get the results you expect.
Not so with glucosamine. Off hand, I'd say around 2/3's of the patients respond. And unfortunately, you have to give it every day without fail for at least a month before passing judgment. But if it works, it can add significant recovery of your dog's quality of life. To boot, it's very safe and won't break your bank account.
Many people believe that chondroitin and MSM help glucosamine do a better job. Personally, I think two or three together seem to help a little more than glucosamine alone, but I wouldn't bet the farm.
There is no doubt that, if your dog responds to glucosamine, you should give it every day of the year. The cumulative effect is much better than giving it on an "as needed" basis. If your dog has had a hard morning in a white rag spread or chasing blues out west, it doesn't hurt to have some Rymadyl, Metacam, or similar NSAID on hand just to help your buddy get through a rough day.
But the glucosamine--if it works--should be given every day, whether you're hunting or not.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple.....and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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Re: Glucosamine
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Hunting chichi birds all day... The reference to "chichi" birds made me smile. That's what I've called the garden variety sparrows, etc for most of my life, but I can't remember exactly where I heard it or picked it up...probably dove hunting as a young kid. Until now, the only other reference to that term I actually remember is that John Graves mentioned it in one of his books and how his south Texas relatives referred to anything other than quail as "chichis." Back to topic, what's the recommended dose for a 90 lb Lab? She's four years old now and a very hard charger, full of energy, never quit kind of girl. I went back and re-read this thread a couple of times, but I'm danged if I found a definitive recommendation. Thanks in advance.
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