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 Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:03 PM
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Have any of y'all had any experience purchasing a firearm from academy. I went in two weeks ago to buy a new shotgun and went back after the three days and they said it still wasn't ready. They are still waiting to hear back from the FBI. Needless to say I'm furious and feel that my constitutional rights are being infringed upon. They will not be getting anymore of my business on gun purchases that's for sure. Any body have any input?
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[Re: 512blaster]
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09/17/13 03:05 PM
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I have herd of similar in the past, from what I have herd their hands are tied until they get word back. I wouldn't hold it against academy, there is likely little they can do to get through the red tape.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
[Re: 512blaster]
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09/17/13 03:05 PM
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You don't have a constitutional right to buy a gun from Academy.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:06 PM
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You don't have a constitutional right to buy a gun from Academy.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:10 PM
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Nothing Academy can do if your background check is taking a long time. They usually get an answer within a few days, but the FBI might be just a little bit busy right now in Washington DC.
My first answer would be to get a CHL.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
[Re: patriot07]
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09/17/13 03:14 PM
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My first answer would be to get a CHL.
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09/17/13 03:16 PM
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I am not sure if the guy was serious or not about that last couple of sentences.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
[Re: 512blaster]
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09/17/13 03:37 PM
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I buy guns from Academy all the time, always run me & comes back quick no problems. If it's taking a long time it's not Academy's fault, the feds have the ball. My BIL buys from them too pretty regularly & never had any problems either until one day he went in to buy a Judge pistol & the back ground check said NO. He hadn't done a dang thing, nothing at all. For some reason it took them several weeks to get his name cleared with the feds then he bought the gun. He hasn't had any problems since, so not sure what that was all about?
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:38 PM
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How is it Academy's fault when the government is the hold up? 
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:45 PM
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l didn't have a problem buying my shotgun there. Took about 30 minutes max.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:47 PM
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How is it Academy's fault when the government is the hold up? just people going off half cocked.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
[Re: 512blaster]
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09/17/13 03:53 PM
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Academy is not at fault. They want nothing more, than to sell you this shotgun. NICS is the holdup. Once you obtain your CHL all this can be avoided.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 03:54 PM
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By law, Academy could release the gun if they have not received an answer after three business days. However, it is Academy's policy to wait for a proceed from NICS before selling the firearm.
So, the OP is correct in a sense that if he disagrees with Academy's policy of waiting until NICS provides the proceed, even after three business days, then he should take his money elsewhere. Although in this day and age of lawsuits, I am surprised that any gun shop would complete a transaction without the green light from NICS.
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09/17/13 03:57 PM
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Its not your constitutional right to buy a gun from academy, it is however law that Academy does a background check(NICS) on all firearm transactions. law also allows a gun in "delayed" status to be transferred after 3 days if they dont hear back. However it is a huge liability on thier part to do so, and as a ffl I agree with the policy. Ive had NICS respond back after the three day grace period to give me a "deny" status.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 04:24 PM
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Nothing Academy can do if your background check is taking a long time. They usually get an answer within a few days, but the FBI might be just a little bit busy right now in Washington DC.
My first answer would be to get a CHL. This ^^^ is 100% correct I have an ffl and believe me NICS call ins can be a pain get a chl and you could have been out the door in 5 min.
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[Re: HorizonFirearms]
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09/17/13 04:51 PM
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I bought a shield there at the peak of the craziness past winter, and it took me about 15 minutes to get cleared and then out the door. First gun purchase form them, but it went smoothly.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
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09/17/13 05:11 PM
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By law, Academy could release the gun if they have not received an answer after three business days. However, it is Academy's policy to wait for a proceed from NICS before selling the firearm.
So, the OP is correct in a sense that if he disagrees with Academy's policy of waiting until NICS provides the proceed, even after three business days, then he should take his money elsewhere. Although in this day and age of lawsuits, I am surprised that any gun shop would complete a transaction without the green light from NICS. All above is correct, except the part crossed through. Academy will not transfer the gun to you at this point. An FFL can completely and legally transfer a firearm after 4 days (3 complete working days) not hearing from NICS. I always call to follow up after the 4th day, but I almost always get a delayed response again, and I inform them that I will be transfering the firearm to them now. The company that made the transfer, is not held liable in any way. If the NICS background didn't want the person to have it to begin with, they will come back as a "denied". In the many years I have been transfering firearms, I have only had maybe 2-3 that were orginally delayed, get a phone call from NICS to tell me a proceed. They almost always do NOT call you back. To prevent this, you need 1 of 2 things. You need to get a CHL (which I recommend), or a UPIN, which is a Unique Personal ID number. This will help ID you specifically, and prevent the delays.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
[Re: Texas buckeye]
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09/17/13 05:14 PM
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It would have happened anywhere academy is not a fault here.
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09/17/13 05:21 PM
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All above is correct, except the part crossed through. Academy will not transfer the gun to you at this point. An FFL can completely and legally transfer a firearm after 4 days (3 complete working days) not hearing from NICS. I always call to follow up after the 4th day, but I almost always get a delayed response again, and I inform them that I will be transfering the firearm to them now. The company that made the transfer, is not held liable in any way. If the NICS background didn't want the person to have it to begin with, they will come back as a "denied". In the many years I have been transfering firearms, I have only had maybe 2-3 that were orginally delayed, get a phone call from NICS to tell me a proceed. They almost always do NOT call you back. Insta-Audit... Of the 100's of firearms ive sold the number of callbacks ive received that were on delay was pretty good. In fact i can probably count on two hands the number I never heard back on.
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09/17/13 05:31 PM
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Chad, Good to know about the UPIN thing. Hadn't heard about it before, but then I've never been held or denied on the background check. Sounds like this mught be a Identity Theft issue, and I would immediately pull my Credit Reports.
TT'd a lady one time in The Colony working at the GoodyGoody who's son could not buy a TX Fishing License...his SS# had been used soemwhere close to Austin by an ID Thief who listed his actual home address under the stolen SS#...the lady said that DPS & TPW would not get involved. She was aware of the Issue as her own SS# had been stolen and she could not get medical service from Parkland's ER...'cause she was supposed to be in a bed upstairs having a baby already ! More common than we think.
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Re: Academy gun purchase
[Re: ChadTRG42]
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09/17/13 05:31 PM
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By law, Academy could release the gun if they have not received an answer after three business days. However, it is Academy's policy to wait for a proceed from NICS before selling the firearm.
So, the OP is correct in a sense that if he disagrees with Academy's policy of waiting until NICS provides the proceed, even after three business days, then he should take his money elsewhere. Although in this day and age of lawsuits, I am surprised that any gun shop would complete a transaction without the green light from NICS. All above is correct, except the part crossed through. Academy will not transfer the gun to you at this point. An FFL can completely and legally transfer a firearm after 4 days (3 complete working days) not hearing from NICS. I always call to follow up after the 4th day, but I almost always get a delayed response again, and I inform them that I will be transfering the firearm to them now. The company that made the transfer, is not held liable in any way. If the NICS background didn't want the person to have it to begin with, they will come back as a "denied". In the many years I have been transfering firearms, I have only had maybe 2-3 that were orginally delayed, get a phone call from NICS to tell me a proceed. They almost always do NOT call you back. To prevent this, you need 1 of 2 things. You need to get a CHL (which I recommend), or a UPIN, which is a Unique Personal ID number. This will help ID you specifically, and prevent the delays. Didn't say Academy would transfer, actually said the opposite. What I was saying is that I doubt many dealers would transfer at this point. I would not if I were a FFL. You say that if NICS didn't want the person to have the firearm, then they would come back with "denied". I tend to think the other way, if NICS approves of the person having the firearm, then they will give a "proceed". I would not transfer a firearm without a NICS resolution.
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09/17/13 05:41 PM
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I have spoken in length with my ATF agents, and even they said it is 100% appropiate to complete the transfer. Most of the time a delayed response has occured, it has been to no SS# listed, a common name (i.e.- Smith, Jones, etc).
And you get audited every 3 years anyway, so why worry about that.
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09/17/13 05:47 PM
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The UPIN is for those that have an extremely common name.
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09/17/13 05:53 PM
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I have spoken in length with my ATF agents, and even they said it is 100% appropiate to complete the transfer. Most of the time a delayed response has occured, it has been to no SS# listed, a common name (i.e.- Smith, Jones, etc).
And you get audited every 3 years anyway, so why worry about that. Appropriate, or legal? Two very different words. It is your business though, and you are responsible for deciding if you are putting yourself at risk. I agree with you that legally you can transfer, but that won't stop a lawsuit from a crime victim or their family. On the other hand though, you could get a proceed and still get sued.
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09/17/13 06:06 PM
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I have not bought from a store in a while. I thought on a shotgun it was still just fill out the paperwork and walk out with it. I guess not.
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