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#4556675 - 09/10/13 04:51 PM Cheap Truck gun...
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I am considering getting an older 870 pump 12 gage, adding an extended mag, cutting the barrel down to 18 1/2", and putting a folding stock on it. Load every other round 00-buck, slug, 00-buck, slug, etc. Want to keep cost to $250-$300.

I already keep a pistol in the truck (either a 1911 .45 ACP or a Bersa Thunder .40 S&W

Thought and opinions?????
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#4556724 - 09/10/13 05:09 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Why the 00-buck, slug pattern? Just curious.
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#4556726 - 09/10/13 05:10 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Interesting thought. I saw one today, Sears 200 which is the Winchester 1200, barrel was cut short, pretty clean gun, wanted
$160.

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#4556771 - 09/10/13 05:27 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: bullseyebain94]
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Originally Posted By: bullseyebain94
Why the 00-buck, slug pattern? Just curious.


Close range self-defense, how I loaded as a LEO...also works on hogs at closer range.
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#4556774 - 09/10/13 05:28 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: bullseyebain94]
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Originally Posted By: bullseyebain94
Why the 00-buck, slug pattern? Just curious.


He does not know the need so he is stacking them.

I do the same thing with my AR for home and truck. Alternating AP and ballistic tip.

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#4556808 - 09/10/13 05:42 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: texasag93]
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I was thinking about a coach gun for the same thing.
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#4556841 - 09/10/13 05:59 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Sneaky]
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Originally Posted By: Sneaky
I was thinking about a coach gun for the same thing.


Me too at first, but decided not enough rounds. Don't figure I will ever need it (haven't so far), but if you do need it I want more than two rounds.

That's why the extended tube (mag) and additional rounds on the stock. Folding stock to keep it compact, yet able to extend for full stock stability for aim and control.
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#4556849 - 09/10/13 06:05 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Sounds good. I would go all federal tactical buckshot. It stays tight. Maybe find a saddle or a way to hold a few slugs on the side

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#4556921 - 09/10/13 06:38 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Brother in-law]
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After having used folding stocks on a number of different shotguns over the years, I would -- if this were my gun -- keep the standard stock on it. I probably would not bother with throwing a mag extension on it, either.

IMO, that gun with either a small, slingable/shoulderable (I realize neither of those are words) bag of shells right beside it (a great option), or some sort of side saddle/butt saddle -- is just fine for the huge majority of us and the situations we would face.

And all that can be done, probably including the shells, within your budget....

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#4556981 - 09/10/13 07:00 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SOTB]
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What about a youth-sized

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#4557019 - 09/10/13 07:12 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Originally Posted By: SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted By: bullseyebain94
Why the 00-buck, slug pattern? Just curious.


Close range self-defense, how I loaded as a LEO...also works on hogs at closer range.



Oh. I see.

Sounds like a plan!
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#4557099 - 09/10/13 07:32 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: bullseyebain94]
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Make sure whatever you get has a solid finish....I used to have a 1300 in the truck that started rusting through the bluing

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#4557228 - 09/10/13 08:08 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Ace_Inthe_O]
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Not worried about a little surface rust...if blued will probably strip and duracoat anyway. As a kick around truck gun don't really care what it looks like cosmetically, just as long as it functions reliably which is why I'm looking at a pump vs. auto.
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#4558033 - 09/11/13 04:59 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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I also wouldn't bother with cutting the barrel. You can find them used for around $100-150.

Also a folding stock can be a true pain to shoot with slugs or buck shot
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#4558171 - 09/11/13 07:49 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: target1911]
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I think you have a good idea. I like the way you stack rounds. I was trained the same way. However, I will parrot what a couple of others said about the folding stock. I have had two folding stocks on shotguns and really didn't like either one, and got rid of both. I realize you are probably trying to save space with a folder, but I wouldn't replace the original stock.
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#4559786 - 09/11/13 05:13 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Choctaw]
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As this is NOT a hunting shotgun...or even an occasional shooter, would you still prefer the standard stock knowing the only time you plan to use it is the time you REALLY need it! I didn't figure space savings as much as easy access/egress from a vehicle is more important than comfort.

Your thoughts please.....
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#4559795 - 09/11/13 05:17 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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I'd take a standard stock over a pistol grip anyday. Ora wood stock cut a little shorter.

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#4559991 - 09/11/13 06:22 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Colt W. Knight]
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being a LEO you should already know what you want/need

but here's my opinion

truck gun: need to be able to maneuver in and out so
cutting barrel is good

cut the butt, too

in self defense you don't care about length of pull, you just
need to snug it and squeeze

you ever shot regular shots at close range ? they don't open.
so stuff whatever you want in the chamber

I like pistol grip but I realize it is another thing to
snag

whatever you decide on, post some pics to share

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#4560040 - 09/11/13 06:47 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Originally Posted By: SnakeWrangler
As this is NOT a hunting shotgun...or even an occasional shooter, would you still prefer the standard stock knowing the only time you plan to use it is the time you REALLY need it! I didn't figure space savings as much as easy access/egress from a vehicle is more important than comfort....
People (I'm not stating YOU) have the misconception that all that is necessary when shooting a shotgun at something is to point it in the general direction and pull the trigger -- the sky then turns black, fowl fall from the sky, etc. Umm, no.

If you require your gun for dealing with a threat or anything that you really want to hit, pistol grips suck, and shotgun folding stocks suck only marginally less. A solid stock you can put in your shoulder is the best option.

I've been working with long guns in and around confined spaces (including veh interiors) for a little over 30 years -- IMO, keep the normal stock, but there is nothing wrong shortening the LOP. Likewise, since you are considering an 870, a pistol grip isn't horrible -- although I personally see zero benefit to it....


Edited by SOTB (09/11/13 06:48 PM)

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#4560155 - 09/11/13 07:44 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SOTB]
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what ever you decide on you will need to shoot and practice with to become proficient find what you want and practice taking it out and shouldering the gun once you nail down a TTP then practice more. practice doesn't make perfect but it does make permanent. perfect practice makes perfect

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#4560666 - 09/11/13 10:29 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Thunder4]
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what ever you decide on you will need to shoot and practice with to become proficient find what you want and practice taking it out and shouldering the gun once you nail down a TTP then practice more. practice doesn't make perfect but it does make permanent. perfect practice makes perfect


Really

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#4561534 - 09/12/13 09:51 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Brother in-law]
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For your "close range" purpose, a 10/22 compact with a good bullet would be just as deadly, higher capacity, and easier to hit with.

Of course, if your not one who believes he can get the job done with an accurate 1400 FPS 40gr bullet, then you surely would choose your shotgun.

I haven't found anything yet that can continue aggression after being shot by a 22LR at 50 yards and under. Most times DRT to include Deer, Elk, Axis, Dogs, & Hogs



Edited by HighPriest (09/12/13 11:46 AM)

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#4562450 - 09/12/13 03:13 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: HighPriest]
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They make a telescoping stock for the 870 as well. Might be a good alternative and would work well should you get into a cqb situation where you need to search and clear with the weapon shouldered.
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#4563012 - 09/12/13 07:09 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: passthru]
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I have one just like you are describing. An old beat up 870 wingmaster with the barrel cut down to 18" and the wood stock cut down about an inch. Its real handy, and the action is as smooth as butter. I have an extended mag that I keep meaning to put on it, but haven't gotten around to it as of yet.

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#4563015 - 09/12/13 07:11 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: HighPriest]
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Originally Posted By: HighPriest

I haven't found anything yet that can continue aggression after being shot by a 22LR at 50 yards and under. Most times DRT to include Deer, Elk, Axis, Dogs, & Hogs



Not to threadjack, but isn't it illegal to kill deer and elk with a 22LR?

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#4563223 - 09/12/13 08:19 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: bjones2571]
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Originally Posted By: bjones2571
Originally Posted By: HighPriest

I haven't found anything yet that can continue aggression after being shot by a 22LR at 50 yards and under. Most times DRT to include Deer, Elk, Axis, Dogs, & Hogs



Not to threadjack, but isn't it illegal to kill deer and elk with a 22LR?


It's illegal to kill whitetails in the state of Texas with a rimfire. It's not illegal to kill exotics, as far as I know, which elk are in Texas. He also didn't specify what species of deer.
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#4563368 - 09/12/13 09:01 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Sneaky]
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Fella's,

I understand your point. Nothing in the OP concerning pistol grip shotgun option led me to believe it was for hunting out of a truck.

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#4563382 - 09/12/13 09:06 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: HighPriest]
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#4564028 - 09/13/13 05:41 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Sneaky]
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I took it to mean a defense weapon with an occasional opportunity at pigs. At some point in our lives our reaction time, eyes, knees, shoulders and backs don't allow us to be as "ready" as we once were. For me open sights with a pistol in low light or night situations is much slower and difficult than just a few years ago. A shotgun gives you a little wiggle room and a whole lot more intimidation and stopping power.
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#4564851 - 09/13/13 11:32 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: passthru]
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Originally Posted By: passthru
I took it to mean a defense weapon with an occasional opportunity at pigs. At some point in our lives our reaction time, eyes, knees, shoulders and backs don't allow us to be as "ready" as we once were. For me open sights with a pistol in low light or night situations is much slower and difficult than just a few years ago. A shotgun gives you a little wiggle room and a whole lot more intimidation and stopping power.


This! Also carry a pistol .45acp or .40s&w with me in the truck.
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#4565898 - 09/13/13 06:16 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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I am a believer of the power of intimidation of the sound of a 12 ga pump chambering a round I have unseated a bicycle rider while on guard duty he flew off the bike and landed on his feet hands in the air at that point they only see the muzzle not the butt stock

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#4565906 - 09/13/13 06:20 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Thunder4]
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I like a semi beat up ( well used) Ruger 77 in 25.06 to .270. That will bust just about anything you run across and the gun is dang near indestructible. Got one in a .257 roberts that likes to shoot yotes. Dang accurate too.

Okay my bad, this is a great ranch gun. I get the gist that you are looking for shotgun sorry.


Edited by 4Weight (09/13/13 06:22 PM)
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#4566190 - 09/13/13 08:35 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: 4Weight]
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I just picked up a Kel Tec Sub 2000 for a dedicated vehicle gun. Folds up nice and small, takes Glock 9mm magazines and is relatively cheap. 33 rounds of 9mm hollow points should take care of anything that needs taking care of in the car!

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#4566503 - 09/13/13 10:41 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Texas Heat]
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My opinion is that you already have a pistol, which is significantly more useful for close range self defense than any long gun in the close quarters of a vehicle cab.

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#4566668 - 09/14/13 12:54 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Thunder4]
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Originally Posted By: Thunder4
I am a believer of the power of intimidation of the sound of a 12 ga pump chambering a round I have unseated a bicycle rider while on guard duty he flew off the bike and landed on his feet hands in the air at that point they only see the muzzle not the butt stock


If you have ever been in the dark or on the other side of door and heard that sound, It will put a hitch in your giddy up for sure!

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#4566816 - 09/14/13 07:45 AM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Thunder4]
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I am a believer of the power of intimidation of the sound of a 12 ga pump chambering a round....
Me too. I appreciate when an opposing party demos to me that they have zero tactical situational awareness (SA), and are only just now getting themselves prepared for the fight. Plus it is really cool that they tell me where they are, what type of gun they have, etc....

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#4568099 - 09/14/13 05:19 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SOTB]
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Originally Posted By: SOTB
Originally Posted By: Thunder4
I am a believer of the power of intimidation of the sound of a 12 ga pump chambering a round....
Me too. I appreciate when an opposing party demos to me that they have zero tactical situational awareness (SA), and are only just now getting themselves prepared for the fight. Plus it is really cool that they tell me where they are, what type of gun they have, etc....


meh...

Personally, I don't go looking for folks with a loaded shotgun.

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#4568171 - 09/14/13 05:45 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: Colt W. Knight]
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Originally Posted By: Colt W. Knight
Originally Posted By: SOTB
Originally Posted By: Thunder4
I am a believer of the power of intimidation of the sound of a 12 ga pump chambering a round....
Me too. I appreciate when an opposing party demos to me that they have zero tactical situational awareness (SA), and are only just now getting themselves prepared for the fight. Plus it is really cool that they tell me where they are, what type of gun they have, etc....


meh...

Personally, I don't go looking for folks with a loaded shotgun.
Most criminals probably wouldn't, either.

But since we don't know for sure the mindset of our opponent, I think it is unwise to gift them knowledge that we weren't ready for the fight from the onset, and now what we are bringing to the fight. No, I don't consider a shotgun -- including in a residence -- to be the most wonderful weapon to have for an upcoming fight.

But hey, to each their own. Although the only thing I find about as ridiculous as the concept of trying to scare someone with the racking sound of a shotgun is maybe adding the idea of holding a flashlight away from one's body, a la Hollyweird in the 70's....

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#4568202 - 09/14/13 05:53 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SOTB]
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IF I ever have to pull a shotgun (or any gun) on anyone, I'm perfectly fine with them knowing that:

1) I AM THERE!
2) I AM ARMED! and
3) I HAVE A BEAD ON THEM (otherwise, most likely they wouldn't know I'm there)
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#4568223 - 09/14/13 06:00 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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#4568604 - 09/14/13 08:42 PM Re: Cheap Truck gun... [Re: SnakeWrangler]
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Originally Posted By: SnakeWrangler
IF I ever have to pull a shotgun (or any gun) on anyone, I'm perfectly fine with them knowing that:

1) I AM THERE!
2) I AM ARMED! and
3) I HAVE A BEAD ON THEM (otherwise, most likely they wouldn't know I'm there)


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