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Open sights safe to waht distance
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How far is safe to let a rifle shooter shot his rifle with open sights?
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/09/13 03:14 PM
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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Depends on the setup and the shooter. safety and ethics are two different things. The origins of long distance shooting had shooters using open sights at 800yds+. Would it be ethical to shoot that far on an animal? No. The longest shot I would take with an iron sighted gun and feel confident in hitting vitals is 250yds max.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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I'm good to a hundred yards or a little better in good light. After that I don't trust my eye sight that well.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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Depends on the setup and the shooter. safety and ethics are two different things. The origins of long distance shooting had shooters using open sights at 800yds+. Would it be ethical to shoot that far on an animal? No. The longest shot I would take with an iron sighted gun and feel confident in hitting vitals is 250yds max. Hope your better than me. I have done a lot of iron site shooting in my life, but mostly small cal stuff like 22's bb-guns and an occasional rifled slug shotgun barrel and black powder gun and I wouldn't even consider shooting 250 yards iron site at a deer unless I was starving to death. Im not trying to hit the silhouette of a sheep at 250 yards, Im trying to hit a deers heart.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/09/13 03:34 PM
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My peep sighted rifles, except for one 300-350, iron sighted only, say about 200.
That being said, I have not shot my peep sighted rifle enough in the past 2 years, so the distance would be less at this time. When I was shooting them a lot, would have no problems at those distances.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/09/13 04:49 PM
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You might need to clarify your question.
Are you guiding, and consenting a shot on an animal? Are you a range owner, and allowing people to shoot targets?
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/09/13 05:20 PM
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Hope your better than me. I have done a lot of iron site shooting in my life, but mostly small cal stuff like 22's bb-guns and an occasional rifled slug shotgun barrel and black powder gun and I wouldn't even consider shooting 250 yards iron site at a deer unless I was starving to death. Im not trying to hit the silhouette of a sheep at 250 yards, Im trying to hit a deers heart. You're right, im thinking more along the lines of larger game like elk, moose, etc...150 max for deer is more like it.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/09/13 05:27 PM
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You might need to clarify your question.
Are you guiding, and consenting a shot on an animal? Are you a range owner, and allowing people to shoot targets? What he said.... Projectiles will fly a real long way.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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Over 150 yards it is probably very safe for the animal you are shooting at Dual peep sights can be amazingly accurate but they too have their limits. You just need to spend some range time trying to figure out how your gun and sights work for you.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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"SAFE", would be the same for open sights or a scope. Otherwise the question has too many variables.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/09/13 09:13 PM
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I guess 3-4 feet would be about swinging distance to hurt someone with a set of iron sights. Iron sights/peep sights are capable of taking game as far as the shooter is able to utilize the sight system. My grandpa would have made fun of anyone using a scope for less than 200 yards.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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Some of our [retired] military members should be able to shed some light on this. I seem to recall a family member telling me he qualified as a Marksman (don't recall the rifle) with irons at a couple/few hundred meters. A Sharpshooter would have more stringent requirements than that of a Marksman.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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This question makes not sense to me. You can shoot the same distance with open sights as with optics.
Last edited by thedoveshooter; 09/10/13 07:22 AM.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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Many of the Marines I work with shot Expert out to 400 meters (bout 440 yards) with irons. I've not tried shooting irons past 200 yards, but I imagine it's just like the work I've done with optics. Be humble, start close, slowly work your way out, in increments.
Look up the "Adobe Walls" incident. As one example. Snipers existed back to the Revolutionary War, and they certainly didn't have rifle scopes.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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For clarification I ask as the manager of a shooting range and have concerns for safety first always. I have been a shooter all of my life and have my self many times watched where shots hit and kept raising my point of aiming until I could get on the target. On the range I have concerns for "Awesome" shooters wanting to see if they can hit the bulls eye at great distances with their open sight rifles and what ever condition and age eyes. I require demonstrating zero and proficiency from everyone and wonder how far to let someone try to aim high enough to get to the next distance without putting the bullet over the berm and into the unknown. I know there are exceptions to everything and just wanted some general guideline ideas and comments.
Thanks for replying
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/11/13 03:32 AM
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I always qualified expert with my iron sighted M16A2 in the Army. 40 targets popping up from varying ranges between 50-300 meters. So shooting "on the fly" with irons I am good out to 300 meters.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/11/13 04:20 AM
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For clarification I ask as the manager of a shooting range and have concerns for safety first always. I have been a shooter all of my life and have my self many times watched where shots hit and kept raising my point of aiming until I could get on the target. On the range I have concerns for "Awesome" shooters wanting to see if they can hit the bulls eye at great distances with their open sight rifles and what ever condition and age eyes. I require demonstrating zero and proficiency from everyone and wonder how far to let someone try to aim high enough to get to the next distance without putting the bullet over the berm and into the unknown. I know there are exceptions to everything and just wanted some general guideline ideas and comments.
Thanks for replying What are they shooting? Cannons? And how high is your berm? Even at 500 yards, I cant imagine any rifle shooter would be needing to aim more than a foot or so high. If you are concerned about guys shooting over the berm, you need to reconsider your berms.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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09/11/13 11:11 AM
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I require demonstrating zero and proficiency from everyone and wonder how far to let someone try to aim high enough to get to the next distance without putting the bullet over the berm and into the unknown. Your range your rules. There is always risk involved with firearms. But come up with a system you are comfortable with that limits the risk and measure its safety, tweak the system along the way, adjust rules accordingly. Jump online and see what other long range gun ranges are doing.
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Re: Open sights safe to waht distance
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NRA Highpower, and DCM matches are shot at 200,300,600yds with open sights. The aiming black for the 600yd MR1 target is 36in.
The Infantry Team Trophy match (rattle battle) is fired at 600,500,300 and 200yds. They use the E silhouette at 600, which is ~19-20in wide.
International Palma also uses open sights at 800, 900, 1000yds. The LR target has an aiming black of 44in.
I would advise consulting the NSSF for range safety information. Your berm should be considered a collection and containment convenience. It is not your primary safety "bullet stopper" A range should be designed that everything with the shooting area is in a safety fan. If you are relying on your berm 100% for bullet stopping, you're in for a surprise sooner or later.
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