http://www.infowars.com/dhs-supplier-provides-shooting-targets-of-american-gun-owners/

A provider of “realistic” shooting targets to the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies has created a line of “non-traditional threat” targets that include pregnant women, mothers in playgrounds and elderly American gun owners.

No big shock there.

Sadly....the significance of this will be lost on a lot of folks here.

Crazy isn't it? Using a pregnant woman as a target isn't my idea of LEO training. Maybe I just got old.. but the mere thought of using that little boy as a target makes my stomach turn.

Conditioning.

Let's see someone print out a target depicting DHS personnel.

I'll bet they'd barely see the light of day.

You have to practice like its real to prevent mistakes when it is real. The bottom line is those targets are not real people and that pregnant women, children and elderly will likely be present In real world situations. I'm all for our agencies practicing with them if it prevents an accidental shooting in a real situation or the unnecessary death of an officer.

As for the targets holding guns. Unfortunately in our society today all of those do present a threat as well. Leo,s and fed agents may have to make that choice someday for real. If a pregnant woman, child or elderly is pointing a gun at them they will have to do what is necessary. Yeah the thought of shooting a child is not pleasant by any means. But that second of hesitation could mean the life of that officer.

These targets have kids, pregnant women and elderly folks holding guns. These targets are not for determining what NOT to shoot, they are designed to reduce hesitation. These targets ARE the bad guy targets.

What's odd about these targets is that white middle-class type people are the subjects....not your typical criminal type. And no people of color.

Accident?

Yeah I updated my post as I did not see the guns in the pics when I first looked on my small phone screen

No they are not your typical criminal........ But it does happen more often than we would like. All races. white people too. As for the race of the targets. I'm not going there.....

You don't have to, it appears DHS already has.

A child is a child. A pregnant woman is a pregnant woman. An elderly is an elderly. Please Leave your racial opinions out of this as it does nothing good for our society.

You brought it up. I was merely agreeing with you.

No offense intended.

I agree with anyone can be a threat, however kind of funny to me that these type of targets are being sent to the same agencies that are ordering millions of rounds of ammo, at the same time gun control is a hot topic. Makes me go hmmm! As far as the race of the folks, i agree it should not matter, however targets used by law enforcement are now blue, because some felt the old black targets were teaching us to shoot at a color. If that were true wouldnt the same be true with these targets. What area they teaching them to shoot at, the everyday American. Just an opinion. Not trying to stir the pot.

Actually I did not bring it up. My post was in response to mr kowalski bringing it up. But no worries man. It's cool

Desensitize the shooters!

http://www.killology.com/art_trained_methods.htm

THANK YOU!!!! It's very simply, what I do with dogs day in and day out.... CONDITIONING. Act - don't think.

I would like to know if these targets are indeed real or internet propaganda. I will do a little personal research before I buy into it. But as others have said I wouldn't be surprised if they are an actual product on the market. But I guess there is no reason to believe a pregnant mother or old man or young kid couldn't pose a threat. Especially if we are all talking about and pushing the "come and take it movement "with our family and friends. If we all take that stance and talk about it we need to be prepared to have our family included in that decision. Just saying... If someone ever wanted to take our guns they would need to be conditioned to take em from whoever.

Exactly. And therein lies the problem. Because NO ONE has the right to "take our guns." The right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. The point IS, they are preparing to take our guns at any cost - including murdering children and pregnant women. And it would be murder because there is no crime in defending one's rights.

You hit the nail on the head Iron Spike.

I saw this last night but was unable to verify due to the activity on the target makers website or problems with my computer.

The thing is that those pictures to me do not represent people that are hostile by judging their facial expressions but people that are defending themselves.

You're right. I brought it up. I didn't like bringing it up, but it was just so obvious that I felt like it could not possibly be accidental that there are no representations from any other ethnic background. And I assure you, had all the the targets been either Black or Hispanic, this story would have been picked up by someone other than just the alternative media.

But have you heard about this in the MSM? Me neither.

But I think this is also significant because DHS came out with a report some time back that identified conservatives, right-wingers, Christians, Tea Partiers, gun-owners and returning veterans who believe in the Constitution and traditional values as potential terrorists. Also....the DHS produced a video for their "See Something, Say Something" campaign, where all of the terrorists were Caucasians. And they weren't some low-life druggie types either. Nope. All looked like good ol' middle-class people. The kind of folks that people usually would associate with law abiding citizens.

Since whites represent an overwhelming percentage of the above groups (with the exception of returning veterans), it gives one cause to wonder just exactly what is going on.

For just once, we need to lay aside the political correct BS and be willing to look at things squarely in the face.

I don't like looking at this issue in this light at all. But it is there. And pretending that it is not, will not make it go away.

I would have hoped that by this time in our national experience, we would have set aside racial divides altogether. But it persists. And when you have those who occupy some of the highest offices in country actually doing the race baiting, it does not help.

I think their servers were getting slammed.

And you make an excellent observation.

I called the company today. They made no effort to deny that these targets are theirs.

Looks like the criminals are getting a free pass from the government over the last couple of months. They are only going after the law abiding citizens.

Wonder why targets are green, blue and orange now?

I will probably get slammed for this, but I don't have a problem with these targets.
Our officers face threats on a daily basis and this is just teaching them to look for the threat in the not so obvious places. The fact is that Leo's have been shot by children, women and elderly because they assumed they weren't a threat this teaches them to at least look.

Also they are taught that not every situation is a shoot situation just because there is a gun. These targets are used in shoot houses where the officer has to determine (by looking at things like facial expressions, attitude and body posture ) wether it is shoot or no shoot!

If these were used as strictly range targets, where the officers get de sensitized to shooting these type of people) that would have me concerned!

I know hundreds of Leo and military all of which I know I won't have to worry about as a threat if things get bad!

I am totally against gun control! But I also will not fall for every conspiracy theory that people will bring up!