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Do you really have to have a custom to make 1000 yard shots? Is there any factory guns that can be somewhat able to make shots that far? I was thinking the Savage Law Enforcement Series FCP McMillan with the fiberglass stock and 24 inch bull barrel. Any other out of the box factory guns?
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Re: 1000 Yard Factory Gun?
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I would say its possible with it. Savages are usually good out of the box.
Rem 5r would be another
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Yes, the Steyr SSG 69series, preferably the PII, is my first choice (double set trigger helps). Also, the Sig SHR 970 and the STR.
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Sako TRG 42. It is expensive but it will do the job.
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Re: 1000 Yard Factory Gun?
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IMO, you need to have a good to decent rifle, at a minimum. But the ammo and caliber/bullet selection becomes just as important as the rifle at distances beyond 600 yards. A basic $500-$800 factory gun can get to 1K. But it must have good ammo to be consistant. There are factory rifles that are more than capable. You Sako TRG's, Accuracy International's, etc. On the lower cost side, your precision-oriented factory rifles, like Remington and Savage, have a few good factory guns. With your lower cost factory rifles, be expecting about MOA accuracy at long range, or a little more at that distance (at 1K that's a little over 10"). The main draw back in a lot of your factory rifles will be the caliber selection. A 308 will get there. But it has a lot more drop and wind drift than a 243, 260 Rem or 7mm caliber. So, pay attention to what calibers are available.
IMO, it's hard to beat a Sako TRG 42 in 300 Win Mag (hence my handle name). A 300 WM provides a large, high BC bullet with good speed and bucks the wind well. A 190 SMK or 208 A-max will do it well. I've taken my 300WM to 1780 yards many times (20 yards further than a mile.) The draw back is the magnum recoil and muzzle blast.
They also have a TRG22 in 260 Rem, that would be awesome.
Also, your scope is a big deal. Plan to spend atleast $800 on a decent scope, or ~$1500 for a good Nightforce. And you don't need a big 12x42 scope. A 3-15, 4-16, or 5-22 is as big as you need.
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In this case I wholly agree with Chad. The 300 Win Mag is a truly great caliber in any good rifle..The TRG is several rungs above good. Mine is a 308 and it is a machine. If you put great
optics on it, customize it to fit you and spend some trigger time
it is almost not fun to hunt with///ALMOST...Mine w/put factory Fed Match Sierra 175 gr BT pretty much in one hole at 100yds..I reg. shoot about 3 in groups w/my Barnes 150gr TTSX hunting bullets..and I'm 69 w/a bad heart..DD
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Re: 1000 Yard Factory Gun?
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Get a short action to learn with. You need to learn to manage recoil so you can spot your own misses, so you can correct for it. A magnum is running, you need to walk first. I learned with a factory Savage .308 and my own handloads. A .308 is not the best chambering to shoot 1000, but it has a very long barrel life and is very consistant to 500 yards no matter what the environmental conditions are. Outside 500 you better have a grasp on Density Altitude and wind calls with the .308. Its just not forgiving to mistakes.
If I were starting over I would've purchased a factory rifl chambered in 6.5 Creedmore (if you don't roll your own) or a .260 Rem if you handload. I handload so I rebarreled my .308 for .260 and will ALWAYS have a .260 in the collection. It can perform phenominally to, and beyond, 1000 yards. My load goes subsonic at 1450 yards. It is not punishing or expensive to shoot.
The brands of rifles Chad mentioned are spot on.
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Savage 110 BA. I think that'll do it.
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My FN was plenty accurate in factory trim, the ones listed above are as well.
And X2 to what chad said about optics.
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Any thoughts on the F-Class Savage?
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TC warlord is nice rig. Remington 5r (own one) shoots just as good as my customs for the most part. Sako Trg's can do it. Higher end savages good choice.
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I know I keep pushing them but my Tikka CTR Scout is right up there with the best of them. Shot a 5 shot .39" group today with factory Hornady Match ammo. $899 new before Beretta quit importing them last year. You can only get the Tactical now at around $1500 and there are rumors its on the chopping block. You can get the T3 Sporter and although ugly as sin it should be awesome at $1500. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328864352
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Savage 110 BA. I think that'll do it. X2 Worked for me.... 
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Re: 1000 Yard Factory Gun?
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I see some of y'all stating how accurate your gun is @ 100yds. Does that translate into it's potential @ 1,000yds? I wouldn't think they have anything to do w/each other but that's why I'm asking! Does a <.4" 100yd weapon automatically make it a 4" 1,000yd weapon, given the right variables (ammo, scope, shooter, etc.)?
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I see some of y'all stating how accurate your gun is @ 100yds. Does that translate into it's potential @ 1,000yds? I wouldn't think they have anything to do w/each other but that's why I'm asking! Does a <.4" 100yd weapon automatically make it a 4" 1,000yd weapon, given the right variables (ammo, scope, shooter, etc.)? In theory yes. Given the right variables as you mentioned. My .4" 100yd gun has given a best of 1.5" (3 shot)at 425yds. But thats the end of the road for me until I get better glass. The next limitation for me will then be bullet performance and my abilites or lack there of.
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02/08/13 10:39 PM
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I see some of y'all stating how accurate your gun is @ 100yds. Does that translate into it's potential @ 1,000yds? I wouldn't think they have anything to do w/each other but that's why I'm asking! Does a <.4" 100yd weapon automatically make it a 4" 1,000yd weapon, given the right variables (ammo, scope, shooter, etc.)? In a nut shell, no. It's called bullet dispersion. Meaning a 1" group at 100 yards = 10" group at 1K yards. It's not linerar like that. A 100 yard group is a 100 yard group. For long range shooting, it doesn't mean jack. I test all my precision long range rifles at 300 yards. At 300 yards, you will know how well the rifle can shoot. Almost all bullets have settled down at 300 yards, and the rifle will tell you what ammo or load it likes. But even then, you have to shoot it out further to see what the bullet is doing. For example, I have loaded some custom 308 Win shooting a 208 grain A-max. It was running right at 2520 fps in a 1:10" twist 20" barrel. At 600 yards, it shot sub 2" groups. At 800 yards, groups opened up dramatically. At 900 and beyond, the bullet was all over the place and out of control. Why? To this day I still do not know the answer to that. Take my tried and true Howa 1500 in 270 Win. I can show you 1/2" groups at 100 yards with a 135 grain SMK. But shoot it at 800 yards, and I'd be lucky to shoot a 20" group. At 800 and out, it just fell apart. Why- I don't know. Take my 260 Rem that's one hole at 100 yards. I have hit the same exact spot on steel several times in a row at 1K yards with it. So, a 100 yard group is a 100 yard group, that's it. It literally doesn't tell anything how well it will do at 600 yards and beyond. And it's not the "best" group a rifle has shot. Shoot 5 groups of 5 shots, and then show me what it's doing. Then you have an idea of what the rifle and ammo combo is capabale of. Sorry if the post is a little harsh. It's Friday at 4:30, and I'm into a few beers already!
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Re: 1000 Yard Factory Gun?
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Any rifle capable of 1MOA of accuracy with a projectile that is supersonic to that distance is capable of shooting 1000 yards.
Less accurate rifles can still get there but your hit ratio and predictability plummet.
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I see some of y'all stating how accurate your gun is @ 100yds. Does that translate into it's potential @ 1,000yds? I wouldn't think they have anything to do w/each other but that's why I'm asking! Does a <.4" 100yd weapon automatically make it a 4" 1,000yd weapon, given the right variables (ammo, scope, shooter, etc.)? In a nut shell, no. It's called bullet dispersion. Meaning a 1" group at 100 yards = 10" group at 1K yards. It's not linerar like that. A 100 yard group is a 100 yard group. For long range shooting, it doesn't mean jack. I test all my precision long range rifles at 300 yards. At 300 yards, you will know how well the rifle can shoot. Almost all bullets have settled down at 300 yards, and the rifle will tell you what ammo or load it likes. But even then, you have to shoot it out further to see what the bullet is doing. For example, I have loaded some custom 308 Win shooting a 208 grain A-max. It was running right at 2520 fps in a 1:10" twist 20" barrel. At 600 yards, it shot sub 2" groups. At 800 yards, groups opened up dramatically. At 900 and beyond, the bullet was all over the place and out of control. Why? To this day I still do not know the answer to that. Take my tried and true Howa 1500 in 270 Win. I can show you 1/2" groups at 100 yards with a 135 grain SMK. But shoot it at 800 yards, and I'd be lucky to shoot a 20" group. At 800 and out, it just fell apart. Why- I don't know. Take my 260 Rem that's one hole at 100 yards. I have hit the same exact spot on steel several times in a row at 1K yards with it. So, a 100 yard group is a 100 yard group, that's it. It literally doesn't tell anything how well it will do at 600 yards and beyond. And it's not the "best" group a rifle has shot. Shoot 5 groups of 5 shots, and then show me what it's doing. Then you have an idea of what the rifle and ammo combo is capabale of. Sorry if the post is a little harsh. It's Friday at 4:30, and I'm into a few beers already! Chad, that's pretty much what I thought. Thanks for laying it out in terms I could comprehend!  Now go 
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Lots of good info here... I would agree that in GENERAL sure you have to have a good rifle and glass but your loads will play a huge role in it... Really in this game it all depends how far are you want to go.. I don't just mean distance...
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I see some of y'all stating how accurate your gun is @ 100yds. Does that translate into it's potential @ 1,000yds? I wouldn't think they have anything to do w/each other but that's why I'm asking! Does a <.4" 100yd weapon automatically make it a 4" 1,000yd weapon, given the right variables (ammo, scope, shooter, etc.)? In a nut shell, no. It's called bullet dispersion. Meaning a 1" group at 100 yards = 10" group at 1K yards. It's not linerar like that. A 100 yard group is a 100 yard group. For long range shooting, it doesn't mean jack. I test all my precision long range rifles at 300 yards. At 300 yards, you will know how well the rifle can shoot. Almost all bullets have settled down at 300 yards, and the rifle will tell you what ammo or load it likes. But even then, you have to shoot it out further to see what the bullet is doing. For example, I have loaded some custom 308 Win shooting a 208 grain A-max. It was running right at 2520 fps in a 1:10" twist 20" barrel. At 600 yards, it shot sub 2" groups. At 800 yards, groups opened up dramatically. At 900 and beyond, the bullet was all over the place and out of control. Why? To this day I still do not know the answer to that. Take my tried and true Howa 1500 in 270 Win. I can show you 1/2" groups at 100 yards with a 135 grain SMK. But shoot it at 800 yards, and I'd be lucky to shoot a 20" group. At 800 and out, it just fell apart. Why- I don't know. Take my 260 Rem that's one hole at 100 yards. I have hit the same exact spot on steel several times in a row at 1K yards with it. So, a 100 yard group is a 100 yard group, that's it. It literally doesn't tell anything how well it will do at 600 yards and beyond. And it's not the "best" group a rifle has shot. Shoot 5 groups of 5 shots, and then show me what it's doing. Then you have an idea of what the rifle and ammo combo is capabale of. Sorry if the post is a little harsh. It's Friday at 4:30, and I'm into a few beers already! Chad, that's pretty much what I thought. Thanks for laying it out in terms I could comprehend! Now go Another thing to consider is the shooter, some folks can shoot really well at 100yds because the gun/optics/ammunition are working in such harmony that it covers shooter error. Yet add any sort of range to the equation and even the perfect platform can't cover. Like Chad said it is also very weird to see what guns do at given ranges with little to no explanation.
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If it won't shoot at 100 though your prob grows exponentially as you tack on yardage.
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I see some of y'all stating how accurate your gun is @ 100yds. Does that translate into it's potential @ 1,000yds? I wouldn't think they have anything to do w/each other but that's why I'm asking! Does a <.4" 100yd weapon automatically make it a 4" 1,000yd weapon, given the right variables (ammo, scope, shooter, etc.)? In a nut shell, no. It's called bullet dispersion. Meaning a 1" group at 100 yards = 10" group at 1K yards. It's not linerar like that. A 100 yard group is a 100 yard group. For long range shooting, it doesn't mean jack. I test all my precision long range rifles at 300 yards. At 300 yards, you will know how well the rifle can shoot. Almost all bullets have settled down at 300 yards, and the rifle will tell you what ammo or load it likes. But even then, you have to shoot it out further to see what the bullet is doing. For example, I have loaded some custom 308 Win shooting a 208 grain A-max. It was running right at 2520 fps in a 1:10" twist 20" barrel. At 600 yards, it shot sub 2" groups. At 800 yards, groups opened up dramatically. At 900 and beyond, the bullet was all over the place and out of control. Why? To this day I still do not know the answer to that. Take my tried and true Howa 1500 in 270 Win. I can show you 1/2" groups at 100 yards with a 135 grain SMK. But shoot it at 800 yards, and I'd be lucky to shoot a 20" group. At 800 and out, it just fell apart. Why- I don't know. Take my 260 Rem that's one hole at 100 yards. I have hit the same exact spot on steel several times in a row at 1K yards with it. So, a 100 yard group is a 100 yard group, that's it. It literally doesn't tell anything how well it will do at 600 yards and beyond. And it's not the "best" group a rifle has shot. Shoot 5 groups of 5 shots, and then show me what it's doing. Then you have an idea of what the rifle and ammo combo is capabale of. Sorry if the post is a little harsh. It's Friday at 4:30, and I'm into a few beers already! Very helpful post. As one in the beginning stages of stretching the distance of my FN your insight filled in some blanks.
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There at soooo many variables to worry about at that distance. To be safe u ought to be shooting at 400 yards consistently before u tackle 1000 safely. It's not just weather or not the gun will shoot that far but can u Safely do it without throwing a bullet into something u don't intend to shoot As far as a rifle that will do it stock the 5r will do it but u will also have to have the right scope right base right bipod right ammo right wind right trigger control etc...
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Even in matches you hardly ever shoot at 1000 yards.
I placed middle of the pack in this weekends match, that was w/ a 20 inch .308.
It's a 1/4-1/2 min rifle though.
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