Forums46
Topics539,218
Posts9,746,876
Members87,146
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
#3940991
01/11/13 03:14 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991
Kevin1
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991 |
I don’t think we should hold it against the gun shops currently their price by X2 or X3. If we do so, it will end up being counterproductive.
Small/medium gun shops: Their only option to survive is a price increase. The shop has a limited stock and without price gouging, everything would sell in a matter of days with no possibility to resupply. They would then simply go out of business. Their only option to survive is to increase the price of their limited amount of stock to make it last longer.
Very large size gun shop: Unlike small shops, these companies have enough financial strength to absorb a decrease in revenue (no price increase, but limited supplies) for a long period of time without going out of business
If you boycott smaller gun shops, you’ll end up with an Oligarchy. It means that only a handful of big shops will remain and will be able to have a total control in prices. Basically, at the end it’s goanna cost you more to buy your gun stuff.
Edit: Replaced price gouging by price increase.
Last edited by Kevin1; 01/11/13 06:27 PM.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: Kevin1]
#3941052
01/11/13 03:31 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 15,600
TexFlip
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 15,600 |
I have never been in a gun shop that only carries ARs and 30 round magazines. Every one I have been in sells bolt actions, handguns, shotguns, holsters, scabbards, safety gear, etc. Selling out of 223 ammo, 30 round mags, and ARs would not put ANY gun shop out of business. Your theory is flawed.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: TexFlip]
#3941091
01/11/13 03:43 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991
Kevin1
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991 |
Initially I wanted to find (or create) a list of gun shops practicing price gauging to boycott once things settle down. But after giving it some thoughts, it appeared to me that this might not be a completely straightforward matter.
This is why I created this topic. I want to hear other opinions. I don’t have a final opinion yet.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: Kevin1]
#3941123
01/11/13 03:51 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,267
TRIJI....WHAT
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,267 |
I agree with your theory being majorly flawed. Guns Unlimited, Gatesville Texas, has not price gouged and they had one of the best ever Decembers since they have owned the store. They sell all types of guns and if your theory held water then they would not be open very long since their only way to profit is to price gouge.
I have a list of companies that I will not order from because of price gouging and will use it to the fullest in the future.
Shhhhhhhh better to be quiet than remove all doubt..
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: TexFlip]
#3941124
01/11/13 03:51 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 26,572
JCB
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 26,572 |
I have never been in a gun shop that only carries ARs and 30 round magazines. Every one I have been in sells bolt actions, handguns, shotguns, holsters, scabbards, safety gear, etc. Selling out of 223 ammo, 30 round mags, and ARs would not put ANY gun shop out of business. Your theory is flawed. While there might not be any store front shops that deal in nothing but AR stuff I can promise you there are plenty of gun show shops and online shops that will be done.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: JCB]
#3941210
01/11/13 04:16 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 15,600
TexFlip
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 15,600 |
I have never been in a gun shop that only carries ARs and 30 round magazines. Every one I have been in sells bolt actions, handguns, shotguns, holsters, scabbards, safety gear, etc. Selling out of 223 ammo, 30 round mags, and ARs would not put ANY gun shop out of business. Your theory is flawed. While there might not be any store front shops that deal in nothing but AR stuff I can promise you there are plenty of gun show shops and online shops that will be done. No doubt. And regardless of gouging, if they can't get more inventory for months they will be done. They might postpone the pain by charging 4x retail, but if they can't replenish their stock they are still gonna be SOL.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: TexFlip]
#3941230
01/11/13 04:24 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 545
Loaded
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 545 |
Screw that. I've bought several uppers and tons of parts to complete all my AR builds recently and I have bought them all from companies that aren't price gouging. I can understand that many suppliers have raised their prices some due to demand and they need to maintain their margins, but charging 2-3 times what something cost a few weeks ago is ridiculous. I think a lot of the problem is also all the a-holes buying way more than they need from places with reasonable prices and then turning around and selling it on eBay and Gunbroker.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: Loaded]
#3941360
01/11/13 05:05 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,801
lharrell79
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,801 |
For the 1000th time, it's not price gouging. Guns, mags, and ammo are not necessities. Therefore, nobody is being forced to buy them. It's very simple. The shop can set their price as they see fit. If the items sell, they're happy. If they don't sell, then they just lower their price. Eventually everything will work itself out.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: lharrell79]
#3941440
01/11/13 05:32 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,926
The Dude Abides
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 9,926 |
For the 1000th time, it's not price gouging. Guns, mags, and ammo are not necessities. Therefore, nobody is being forced to buy them. It's very simple. The shop can set their price as they see fit. If the items sell, they're happy. If they don't sell, then they just lower their price. Eventually everything will work itself out. +1...
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: The Dude Abides]
#3941454
01/11/13 05:34 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,056
Hooligan
THF Trophy Hunter
|
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,056 |
For the 1000th time, it's not price gouging. Guns, mags, and ammo are not necessities. Therefore, nobody is being forced to buy them. It's very simple. The shop can set their price as they see fit. If the items sell, they're happy. If they don't sell, then they just lower their price. Eventually everything will work itself out. +1... x10000000000000 get over it people
Militavi Non Sine Gloria
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: Hooligan]
#3941625
01/11/13 06:20 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,751
Sneaky
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,751 |
IT'S....NOT....GOUGING....
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: Sneaky]
#3941665
01/11/13 06:29 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991
Kevin1
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991 |
Edited the original post to replace price gouging by price increase.
To those who have a list of shops to boycott…. Are you saying that once things settle down, you will not by from those shops even if they decrease their prices?
Last edited by Kevin1; 01/11/13 06:29 PM.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: Kevin1]
#3942039
01/11/13 08:25 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 30
RAS831
Light Foot
|
Light Foot
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 30 |
People should think that maybe it is not the shops that are marking them up, but the distributers. The shop that I frequent is only marking up because the distributers have marked up. They can't buy it and then give it out at a loss.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Kevin1]
#3942130
01/11/13 08:56 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 825
grasshopperglock
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 825 |
I don’t think we should hold it against the gun shops currently their price by X2 or X3. If we do so, it will end up being counterproductive.
Small/medium gun shops: Their only option to survive is a price increase. The shop has a limited stock and without price gouging, everything would sell in a matter of days with no possibility to resupply. They would then simply go out of business. Their only option to survive is to increase the price of their limited amount of stock to make it last longer.
Very large size gun shop: Unlike small shops, these companies have enough financial strength to absorb a decrease in revenue (no price increase, but limited supplies) for a long period of time without going out of business
If you boycott smaller gun shops, you’ll end up with an Oligarchy. It means that only a handful of big shops will remain and will be able to have a total control in prices. Basically, at the end it’s goanna cost you more to buy your gun stuff.
Edit: Replaced price gouging by price increase. That's the most socialist thing I have read here. lets demand an END to profits off stocks. Down with walmart. I highly suggest you read "Atlas Shrugged" before complaining about people making money.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops practicing price gouging
[Re: RAS831]
#3942138
01/11/13 09:00 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 789
kidde
Tracker
|
Tracker
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 789 |
While I don't think it is right, how is it okay for the store to sell it for half of present market value when their stock gets bought out by some A-hole selling it for 3X what he paid? Remember Clinton? Remember the first Obama term? These things will correct themselves. I sold my last two stripped lowers in 2008 for 3X what I paid, BUT I told the man flat out if he would replace them in six months I'd return all of his money. We are going to have a flooded market by the time fall comes around. I'll stock up then.
Live right. Do right. Demand the same in others. Screw off. Lie and cheat. Have no regard for the actions of others.
You tell me which takes, and ultimately makes, a Man.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: grasshopperglock]
#3942978
01/12/13 02:17 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991
Kevin1
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991 |
I don’t think we should hold it against the gun shops currently their price by X2 or X3. If we do so, it will end up being counterproductive.
Small/medium gun shops: Their only option to survive is a price increase. The shop has a limited stock and without price gouging, everything would sell in a matter of days with no possibility to resupply. They would then simply go out of business. Their only option to survive is to increase the price of their limited amount of stock to make it last longer.
Very large size gun shop: Unlike small shops, these companies have enough financial strength to absorb a decrease in revenue (no price increase, but limited supplies) for a long period of time without going out of business
If you boycott smaller gun shops, you’ll end up with an Oligarchy. It means that only a handful of big shops will remain and will be able to have a total control in prices. Basically, at the end it’s goanna cost you more to buy your gun stuff.
Edit: Replaced price gouging by price increase. That's the most socialist thing I have read here. lets demand an END to profits off stocks. Down with walmart. I highly suggest you read "Atlas Shrugged" before complaining about people making money. I suggest you read my post again and more carefully this time. You might notice that I’m defending the shops that have increased their price and that I’m against boycotting them. This has nothing to do with socialism. If anything, I’m defending the essence of capitalism.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Kevin1]
#3943027
01/12/13 02:33 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,531
JWP58
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 2,531 |
They can price their merch. as high as they want to.
And I can also choose to NEVER do business with them again. Like Cheaper than dirt, Dick's, ect., ect.,
Want to charge 3k for a plain jane 6920, or pull select weapons off your shelf to be PC? Ok, bye for life.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Kevin1]
#3943061
01/12/13 02:42 AM
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,919
maximum
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,919 |
i've said for years that folks should give as much business as they can to the mom and pop shops even if it costs a bit more. the big box places don't hire knowledgeable staff, and you have a much greater chance of getting shafted online and mail order as opposed to walking out the door with goods in hand. that's what has put the smaller shops in the tank, not any magazine shortage or price hikes. bear witness to the big boxes pulling legal firearms from the shelves for a "feel good" gesture. the shops i used to deal with wouldn't have done that because they had common sense enough to know that evil people do bad, not objects. if you want to do something constructive, spend your money with a local vendor instead of some online doofs, and they'll be there next time you need them. if they're still in business, then you can go back and tell them you've spent this many dollars in this many years and you're not happy they way that this item has increased in price. if there's an increase they're more likely to tell a regular customer "hey- these hornady bullets you buy all the time will be going up so-and-so many dollars next month. you may want to get another box"
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: JWP58]
#3943068
01/12/13 02:44 AM
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991
Kevin1
OP
Tracker
|
OP
Tracker
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 991 |
They can price their merch. as high as they want to.
And I can also choose to NEVER do business with them again. Like Cheaper than dirt, Dick's, ect., ect.,
Want to charge 3k for a plain jane 6920, or pull select weapons off your shelf to be PC? Ok, bye for life. Which option do you prefer? This is not a trick question. I honestly want to understand your rational. 1. CDT charging $1000 for a 6920. There is a waiting list (or a line) of 100 people, and the person lucky enough to buy the rifle, is likely to sell it the next day for $3000 2. CDT charging $3000 for a 6920, having it in stock for whoever wants to buy, and once it sells, they are the one making the profit and not a private seller.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Kevin1]
#3943573
01/12/13 09:01 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,148
Humble pie
Pro Tracker
|
Pro Tracker
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,148 |
Guns and ammo arent necessities? I guess that depends on your perspective. Our founding fathers thought they were. I guess we should give em up.
Never had a dog fail me yet.
End dog fighting.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Humble pie]
#3943789
01/12/13 02:16 PM
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,399
Texas Heat
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,399 |
Bull, the shops doubling and tripling the prices deserve to go under. We have not raised prices a penny and we are doing just fine. The shops are NOT paying higher prices for the product, and the product is flying out the doors at a record setting pace.
Some are just being greedy right now, which is within their rights 100%. Capitalism works.
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Texas Heat]
#3949582
01/14/13 03:35 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 106
gfd2590
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 106 |
I will never darken the doorway of Cheaper Than Dirt again!
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: gfd2590]
#3949751
01/14/13 04:21 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 12
LopacFF
Light Foot
|
Light Foot
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 12 |
Seems like fair game to me and a risk these shops are willing to take because there will always be someone either uninformed enough or spooked by the system to bite on their inflated prices. I agree cheaper than dirt makes me sick as well they are the worst at pricing high but they do it because they can and plenty of people are funding their decision. So can you blame them?
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: lharrell79]
#3958550
01/16/13 12:59 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 118
Derek717
Woodsman
|
Woodsman
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 118 |
For the 1000th time, it's not price gouging. Guns, mags, and ammo are not necessities. Therefore, nobody is being forced to buy them. It's very simple. The shop can set their price as they see fit. If the items sell, they're happy. If they don't sell, then they just lower their price. Eventually everything will work itself out. X1,000,000 It's Capitalism at its finest! Welcome to 'Merica!
Amateurs practice until they get it right, professionals practice until they get it wrong!
|
|
|
Re: No boycott on gun shops increasing prices
[Re: Derek717]
#3960171
01/16/13 07:35 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1
IRJ762
Green Horn
|
Green Horn
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 1 |
Both sides of this argument are somewhat correct. But no one is looking at the 3rd side. While it's America, capitalist and profit moves everything in our country. Is it ok to exploit every single situation for profit??? I'd hate my doctor to ONLY care about his profit margin without having some kind of belief in healing and caring.... Can the gun shop owners freely do this? Yes. Should they? That's another story... In short, if shops rationed the sale of AR's to 1 AR per customer, per day. The supply would expand out up to 10x the current supply. They would be selling the same amount of guns, but to a larger populous, thus stimulating their own pockets while serving the just cause of preserving the 2nd amendment. Not by just selling guns? But by increasing the count in gun-ownership. The number of 4473's will show a stronger support for guns than one 4473 on 12 guns. Gun rationing would also keep prices from going up past 25%-50% increase on SOME BRANDS. While that is high, it's better than the current 100-150% increase. Some food for thought, NOT ALL BRANDS raised prices. Gun shops are a business but I would pray that it would be as important for these shops to preserve our right as it is to make money. New gun laws may turn the U.S. into a Police state? Gun owners will make money today, and tomorrow, the gov't will shut them down. Santa Cruz Cty, CA is trying to ban gun shops, period, as we discuss this. sounds like the early stages of fascism to me. Who are the ones that can protest? the people? Who are the people? Gun shop customers! Why bite the hand that has been feeding you. NY just passed the 7 round restriction along with a slew of fascist type laws concerning guns. I would like to see how gun shops will survive in NY? One day? This could be Tx? Trust me, it's no joke living in a gun free state with high crime.
The only gun factories raising prices are Colt, Adcor, Rainer, LWRC, and maybe a couple more. Companies like Daniel Defense, Noveske and spikes tactical have not raised prices. Stag has only raised prices on SOME parts but not on complete rifles. Which means we are paying more on some rifles for no reason, but greed.
Guns aren't a want. They are a need. The 2nd amendment is what helps preserve all the other amendments. It's what keeps us safe. Ask the Victims Of Katrina, who defended their homes if guns are a want?
We can make simple quotes about capitalism all day. Or every gun owner, Civilian and FFL salesman, can do there part to show this administration, that we don't want our rights infringed.
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|