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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: HWY_MAN]
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01/07/13 02:28 PM
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HWY_MAN
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OPERATION LEXINGTON-CONCORD PO Box 52 Obernburg, NY 12767 (914)482-3426 September 13, 1995 Congress clearly did not, and does not, understand how deeply affected ordinary Americans were by their government's actions at Ruby Ridge and at Waco; this is true for New Yorkers, no less than for Idahoans and Texans. That failure, and the growing feeling that their representatives are not doing just that - namely, representing THEM - has become the source of a great deal of widespread frustration among Americans. The Operation Lexington-Concord is the first study, ever, of its kind - a nationwide survey and analysis of the attitudes of legal gun-owners in America. Unlike the biased, politically-contaminated studies often presented by groups and organizations which have a firearm-prohibitionist agenda, [that group including a fair number of studies which have appeared in the medical literature], Operation Lexington-Concord is objective, and the result of a wholly grassroots volunteer effort. And, unlike most other polls of any type, the sample size in the present study is far larger. The importance of the findings of this study are momentous, and two unexpected findings are outstanding among all the rest: - 51.8% of all respondents cited "government" as their greatest fear in life in America today, and - 73.7% of all respondents stated they would actively resist governmental confiscation of their firearms. Firearm-related legislation, when premised on inaccurate or biased information, has the very real potential to lead policy-makers, both within and without government, down a socially-destructive path. The ramifications of the findings of Operation Lexington-Concord are profoundly linked to the very future of America; it is therefore absolutely vital, and a matter of great urgency, that members of Congress be aware of them. RICHARD A. EHRMANN, Project Coordinator Operation Lexington-Concord More of the report. http://rkba.org/research/olc.21sep95Consider this, that study was done in ‘95! Wonder what today’s result would be?
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: Jasb]
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01/07/13 02:28 PM
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Good luck fighting AGAINST an American army. Do you really think most of them would follow executive orders to use deadly force against citizens? Remember the assault by BATF in Waco some years back? The Branch Davidians had some strange issues, but that could have been handled differently and without incident. Even the sheriff at that time said he could have brought the leader in without confrontation. But the Feds wanted their raid and they got it. I agree some freedoms and rights are worth fighting for... Are you kidding me? If an agent had gone to the door and asked for the 100s of full auto weapons they had he would have been killed. Guess they should have sent them a letter asking for the guns? Actually, I was responding to the question of whether the Government could find someone to enforce a gun confiscation. I gave an example. A long-time friend of mine (now retired) was an FBI agent involved in the negotiations after the ATF screwed it up because they wanted to flex their muscle and set an example. Even he said it could have been prevented by common sense. Back to the point, there are those who would enforce a confiscation. I only hope it will not come to that. Maybe they at least let us keep a single shot rifle and a double barrel shotgun. Anybody have a Ruger No. 1 and an old Browning B-SS?
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: HWY_MAN]
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01/07/13 02:51 PM
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I just did a quick number check.
There are roughly 2.6 million military personnel in America. There are roughly 800,000 police. There are roughly 52 million households with guns.
So if the 52 million got organized it would be something like an army larger than the five largest combined. I know scores of military and police, and they've told me they wouldn't confiscate.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: J.G.]
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01/07/13 03:13 PM
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HWY_MAN
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I just did a quick number check.
There are roughly 2.6 million military personnel in America. There are roughly 800,000 police. There are roughly 52 million households with guns.
So if the 52 million got organized it would be something like an army larger than the five largest combined. I know scores of military and police, and they've told me they wouldn't confiscate. I'm not suggesting anything but those are some very interesting numbers.
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: HWY_MAN]
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01/07/13 06:11 PM
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I would suggest we try to work "within" the system while we still can. Send a letter to your representatives. There is a decent form letter regarding this issue here. Ted Cruz is not in their system yet but you can email him directly from his web site.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: Riff]
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01/07/13 09:44 PM
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I would suggest we try to work "within" the system while we still can. Send a letter to your representatives. There is a decent form letter regarding this issue here. Ted Cruz is not in their system yet but you can email him directly from his web site. Finally a sensible attack on the problem. Handwrite the letter and send it snail mail, it makes it a lot more personal and they have to open it. Form emails are a dime a dozen, any Tom, Dick or Harry can copy and paste a letter. Make yours personal and do not attack the representative. It also requires a person to deal with the answer back to you, which usually gives you a name and number for a contact.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: dogcatcher]
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01/07/13 11:10 PM
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I would suggest we try to work "within" the system while we still can. Send a letter to your representatives. There is a decent form letter regarding this issue here. Ted Cruz is not in their system yet but you can email him directly from his web site. Finally a sensible attack on the problem. Handwrite the letter and send it snail mail, it makes it a lot more personal and they have to open it. Form emails are a dime a dozen, any Tom, Dick or Harry can copy and paste a letter. Make yours personal and do not attack the representative. It also requires a person to deal with the answer back to you, which usually gives you a name and number for a contact. Bull. I have written them til I was numb in the fingers......all I got back was form mail that was paid for by our tax dollars. They aint listening no more to us
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: Erathkid]
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01/08/13 01:28 AM
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Good luck fighting AGAINST an American army. Ever heard of Vietnam or Afghanistan? We left Vietnam embarrassed, and soon will be doing the same in Afghanistan. The folks in Afghanistan have crappy weapons, no type of training, and little leadership or organization. They have held our mighty military machine at bay for 10 years, just like they did with the Russians. Guys with tanks, smart bombs, night vision, attack choppers, gps, thermal sights, and every other force multiplier have had a hard time dealing with a small force with nothing really more than individual rifles and hardly any support or even crew served weapons. Yes, I think it would be tragic if any type of warfare were to take place between our citizens and any government forces. BUT, this country has fought brother against brother before and survived. I think that those in the general population that are willing to fight would put up more of a resistance than most people would expect.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: ep2621]
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01/08/13 02:54 AM
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: texretvet]
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01/08/13 04:25 AM
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great point! Good luck fighting AGAINST an American army. Ever heard of Vietnam or Afghanistan? We left Vietnam embarrassed, and soon will be doing the same in Afghanistan. The folks in Afghanistan have crappy weapons, no type of training, and little leadership or organization. They have held our mighty military machine at bay for 10 years, just like they did with the Russians. Guys with tanks, smart bombs, night vision, attack choppers, gps, thermal sights, and every other force multiplier have had a hard time dealing with a small force with nothing really more than individual rifles and hardly any support or even crew served weapons. Yes, I think it would be tragic if any type of warfare were to take place between our citizens and any government forces. BUT, this country has fought brother against brother before and survived. I think that those in the general population that are willing to fight would put up more of a resistance than most people would expect.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: jollyrancher]
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01/08/13 04:30 AM
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just type in "Knob Creek Gun Shoot" or any thing that says machine gun shoot Texas on you tube and you will realize that we poor little civilians got a bit more fire power than most may think.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: fadetoblack64]
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01/08/13 04:27 PM
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Riff
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I would suggest we try to work "within" the system while we still can. Send a letter to your representatives. There is a decent form letter regarding this issue here. Ted Cruz is not in their system yet but you can email him directly from his web site. Finally a sensible attack on the problem. Handwrite the letter and send it snail mail, it makes it a lot more personal and they have to open it. Form emails are a dime a dozen, any Tom, Dick or Harry can copy and paste a letter. Make yours personal and do not attack the representative. It also requires a person to deal with the answer back to you, which usually gives you a name and number for a contact. Bull. I have written them til I was numb in the fingers......all I got back was form mail that was paid for by our tax dollars. They aint listening no more to us DogCatcher, You make a good point about "personalizing" the messages. Takewhatyoucan, I think everybody here feels your frustration. I think it is one of the reasons we post on this forum. I am only suggesting that we still take that course while we can. At least then you can honestly say you have done everything within your power to work within the system to affect the change you wanted. Have you ever written Sen. Ted Cruz? Since he was just sworn in, probably not. This is a guy who I believe is "one of us" and he may actually listen. We do not know until we pose the question to him. I must try to have at least a little faith that the system can work until it proves me completely wrong. If I don't believe it can work, then what is there to fight for?
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: Riff]
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01/09/13 01:36 AM
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I wonder if I can keep my remington 1858 lol or the thompson center Hawken? .54
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: TxBassAssassin]
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01/09/13 01:41 AM
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Fought in Iraq. I can fight here too. Same Here I'm right there with you
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: TreeBass]
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01/09/13 05:06 AM
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If they do try to disarm us Texans this may just cause a civil war. We have a flag here in Texas for this. Foreign and domestic, this we will defend GOD, GUNS, AND GUTS!!!!!!
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: bhunter]
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01/09/13 05:07 PM
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In this video you will see how if you do not relenquish your guns the tyrants can bring you to your knees or your casket.
Never had a dog fail me yet.
End dog fighting.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: E-Cigrettman]
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01/10/13 05:42 PM
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does anyone really think that some fathers son in uniform would fire on his own people, and i believe we out number the military by a considerable margin, thats what the second amendment is all about, if the polititions dont have to live up to there oath to defend the constitution then i dont think the military should owe the president any blind obedience
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: sticksteer]
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01/11/13 11:06 PM
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Personally, if it came down to confiscation and giving in to this increasingly tyrannical administration, or putting up a fight, I don't know with certainty what I would do. It's a frightening thought. But I dang sure know what would be the RIGHT THING to do. A lot of people shed a lot of blood for the freedoms we have and to let them go out of fear for my own safety would be a heavy burden on my conscience. If this early in the game you have already decided you won't fight, be sure you can live with that later.
As of today, it is looking less likely that any major bans will happen. But make no mistake - allowing this president to take the guns would be the irreversible end of America as we know it. Pray that he doesn't try.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: jollyrancher]
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01/12/13 01:39 AM
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X3!!! Count me in. Liberty or Death. Sick of the quiet tyranny, creeping in like a virus. If they come for me and mine, you'll see me on the news. Old_School is Fed the F**k up.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: ETXhiker]
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01/12/13 01:39 AM
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Countries attack other countries through their military. Wanna know why America has not been attacked through any military action? Because EVERY country/faction knows there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. There are other countries that could defeat our military. If you don't believe that, stop hitting the bowl so deep & look through clear eyes. However, as it stands there is NO country that could send their entire military here and defeat our military & armed citizens! Armed citizens protect our country. It will always be that way! As soon as there are no armed citizens, there is no USA. That is not zealot talk, that is fact!
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: sticksteer]
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01/12/13 10:38 PM
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[quote=sticksteer]does anyone really think that some fathers son in uniform would fire on his own people," quote
The general active duty soldier or as you put it "fathers son in uniform" is going to do what he is ORDERED to do regardless of if you think he is gonna have a moral issue because of it being on American soil.Do some research and you will see that they have been doing active door to door training for a while on American soil.
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: TheNightHunter]
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01/13/13 01:52 AM
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You don't give them up. You don't claim them when asked if you have anything on the list to be claimed. Yes Night Hunter, You will be lying to s city, state or Federal person. What are they going to do, Send you to Siberia?
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Re: Weapons Confiscation
[Re: E-Cigrettman]
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01/13/13 02:25 AM
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I dont believe there is any chance at all that weapons will be confiscated
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