haha....that's funny, although not true--in my opinion of course...

BTW, i am not necessarily against HF....just feel all native species should not be kept in by force/restraint/fence....now, if one wants to keep them out(like the neighbor in grout's example) then I see no issue with it...just like the backyard in his example - I have the right to keep him out of my backyard/pool/etc...but, i don't have the right to keep him in my backyard....

There's a lot of misuse of terminology, misunderstanding and misinformation.

The state does not OWN the animals. The state has regulatory authority over wildlife resources. There's a huge difference in those two concepts.

Here's another question: The thread about the day lease in Doss brings this to mind. What's the difference in the greedy property owner that allows every single animal on his property to be shot and killed and a high fence ranch owner?

I'll tell you. Generally, one cares nothing about morals, ethics, management or conservation. He is driven only by greed and makes money off of wildlife to the detriment of surrounding property owners and the wildlife in general. The other preserves, manages and conserves the resource for the future.

Some of y'all bash HF's but don't say a thing about those day lease operations that conduct wholesale slaughter of OUR wildlife.

It must be the Holiday Season with all this anger being spewed

Just fence your dang ranch and get it over with already

When someone fences deer in, they also fence deer out. Seems to even out.

Still don't know why so many people care what someone does with/on their property. The whole, "I don't like it, so you shouldn't do it," mentality baffles me.

i dont like them because i have witnessed the effects of them first hand on my small home place i got fenced in on three sides cutting off almost all of my deer and pig activity granted i had never seen any monsters on my property but the opportunity was there and had actually harvested deer and pigs there every year prior to the fence going up if nothing else i enjoyed watching them drink from my tank during the summer months i have a deer lease now but it still chaps my arse when i think about how it use to be before the fence basically it comes down to money and if you have enough of it who cares what the poor folk around you think so for now i will be the most annoying neighbor around i shoot often primarily last couple hours of light (Prime Time)and i have the loudest four wheeler around and i hope he enjoys it every time he tries to have a peaceful evening in his stand

i dont like them because i have witnessed the effects of them first hand on my small home place i got fenced in on three sides cutting off almost all of my deer and pig activity granted i had never seen any monsters on my property but the opportunity was there and had actually harvested deer and pigs there every year prior to the fence going up if nothing else i enjoyed watching them drink from my tank during the summer months i have a deer lease now but it still chaps my arse when i think about how it use to be before the fence basically it comes down to money and if you have enough of it who cares what the poor folk around you think so for now i will be the most annoying neighbor around i shoot often primarily last couple hours of light (Prime Time)and i have the loudest four wheeler around and i hope he enjoys it every time he tries to have a peaceful evening in his stand

to your point, I don't think the young ones should be shot either, but I thik that young deer should have the option to jump my fence and get shot by my neighbor who doesn't manage like I do...I hope you get my point(I hope)

Funny, last time I heard about PETA they were protesting all hunting, not just the HF hunting in Texas. Ever been to a national forest and seen how land locked the citizens around it make it? No HF's there.

What makes you feel like deer belong to the state (other than it's written so the state has the authority to make money off the hobby)? Do you feel like Axis, Hogs, Fallows, Blackbuck Antelope, etc. should be the "states" deer too? I had to drill a well to keep the deer alive on my property (not HF either but in West Texas), shouldn't I get a reimbursement? If a deer runs into the side of my truck the state doesn't claim that its their deer then, so elaborate why should the state say they own the deer?

i dont like them because i have witnessed the effects of them first hand on my small home place i got fenced in on three sides cutting off almost all of my deer and pig activity granted i had never seen any monsters on my property but the opportunity was there and had actually harvested deer and pigs there every year prior to the fence going up if nothing else i enjoyed watching them drink from my tank during the summer months i have a deer lease now but it still chaps my arse when i think about how it use to be before the fence basically it comes down to money and if you have enough of it who cares what the poor folk around you think so for now i will be the most annoying neighbor around i shoot often primarily last couple hours of light (Prime Time)and i have the loudest four wheeler around and i hope he enjoys it every time he tries to have a peaceful evening in his stand

[/quote=nightbird]]Just for argument sake now.. If you say they are your deer and they leave your property and run into the side of my truck are you going to pay for it? Or all of a sudden they are not your deer and magically they become the States again?

For all you HF's, the argument about the deer wanting to stay on the hf side because life is better, that is a crock! Deer will go where ever they want for lots of reasons, mainly because they can. A HF is for one reason only, to prevent egress and access of deer to adjoining properties. And the idea that you want to keep deer out is also a crock. If you are honest with yourself, you know that if you had property that had a portion completely fenced, and low fence on an adjacent side, and while hunting, a huge buck appeared on the low fence side, you would still shoot him! There ain't no getting around that! If you feel comfortable shooting a deer behind a high fence, that is fine. But it don't the skill required to kill one on open range. Even on large acres. JB