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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: vanguard] #3829317 12/09/12 01:43 PM
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FWIW Hornady's load manual says the Amax is good for up to medium size game animals, yet online they say it's not recommended for it. I personally hunt with Accubonds when it's possible, I like the fact that if need be I can break a shoulder and anchor the animal while the bullet stills goes on to all the vitals. Another huge advantage to me is the fact that they produce exit wounds which is a great advantage when hunting close to dense cover.


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Well I used the 162gr Amax on a couple pigs tonight dropped the first at a touch over 150 and the second wasn't recovered due to a poor shot on a running animal but it did have a nasty trail leading into the brush. The pig that was recovered was a 100-110lb sow bullet hit just on the shoulder with no visible exit wound.


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been using A max for several years now. The Whitetail in Texas don't know the difference. Might think twice about using it on a grizzly or a moose but ain't nothing in Texas it won't bring down.

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shot a doe and two hogs in the past two days with a 208 amax... dead dead dead....


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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: vanguard] #3840357 12/12/12 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: vanguard
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The V-max bullets have a thinner jacket to expand more. Most target type bullets have a thicker jacket to hold together better for the faster twist rates.

I've shot many animals with the A-max bullets, and they work very well and provide similar performance like an SST.


im no pro on the subject but if indeed the amax has a thicker jacket it would be the first, all target bullets have thin jackets, its because of the precision needed to make target bullets, if it was a thick jacket it would be a good hunting bullet, but yet they say not for hunting.


A-MAX®

Designed by match shooters for match shooters. With an ultra-low drag tip, our A-Max match bullets feature an aerodynamic secant ogive that delivers flat trajectories with excellent uniformity and concentricity. Find out more...

Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
Recommended muzzle velocity range: 2000+ fps.
These bullets are not recommended for hunting.


its funny how some people kill with an a max but others need a accubond. sometimes i think nobody knows what the hell they are talking about except me, ive always said pick a boolit and put it where it counts, it dont make a darn difference which one.

That is not correct. Most target/match bullets have a thicker jacket, to hold together and not blow up in flight with the faster speeds and tighter twist rates. Some target bullets keep about the same thickness as hunting bullets. Most have thicker jackets than their hunting counterpart bullet by the same mfg.


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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: ChadTRG42] #3847076 12/14/12 02:24 PM
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I am going to load up some 178 Amaxes for my 308 and give them a shot out to 1k and hunting 5 and under

Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: ChadTRG42] #3847983 12/14/12 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42
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The V-max bullets have a thinner jacket to expand more. Most target type bullets have a thicker jacket to hold together better for the faster twist rates.

I've shot many animals with the A-max bullets, and they work very well and provide similar performance like an SST.


im no pro on the subject but if indeed the amax has a thicker jacket it would be the first, all target bullets have thin jackets, its because of the precision needed to make target bullets, if it was a thick jacket it would be a good hunting bullet, but yet they say not for hunting.


A-MAX®

Designed by match shooters for match shooters. With an ultra-low drag tip, our A-Max match bullets feature an aerodynamic secant ogive that delivers flat trajectories with excellent uniformity and concentricity. Find out more...

Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
Recommended muzzle velocity range: 2000+ fps.
These bullets are not recommended for hunting.


its funny how some people kill with an a max but others need a accubond. sometimes i think nobody knows what the hell they are talking about except me, ive always said pick a boolit and put it where it counts, it dont make a darn difference which one.

That is not correct. Most target/match bullets have a thicker jacket, to hold together and not blow up in flight with the faster speeds and tighter twist rates. Some target bullets keep about the same thickness as hunting bullets. Most have thicker jackets than their hunting counterpart bullet by the same mfg.


then go argue with the manufacturers of match bullets, cause they all say not for hunting, go cut one in half and look at it
match bullets indeed have thinner jackets, hornady says a max is a rapid expander not intended for hunting, go tell them that they are liars and that it has a thicker jacket.
the only thing thats going to blow up bullets in flight are 22-250s and 220 swifts no 308 6.5 or 7mm is going to do that



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only match bullet i had
52gr hpbt match on right
45gr hornet on left
clipped these with a pair of dykes notice how much the 52 gr deformed and you can see a slighter thicker jacket on the 45 gr hornet




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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: vanguard] #3848402 12/14/12 09:06 PM
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Can you put a caliper on the jacket to measure?


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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: ChadTRG42] #3848409 12/14/12 09:08 PM
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trying to figure out how, i would have to get the lead out and i would have to cut it better



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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: vanguard] #3848458 12/14/12 09:23 PM
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You need to use something besides dykes to cut with if you want to justify your point, they tend to bend and tear in order to cut.


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You need to use something besides dykes to cut with if you want to justify your point, they tend to bend and tear in order to cut.


yes i know but read the links i posted



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You are referencing two companies that have government contracts that directly pertain to their match bullet lineup, saying they are acceptable for hunting will make them illegal under the Geneva convention.

I'm not arguing whether its good or bad, I have taken game with the Amax with no issue with terminal performance just like Noslers BT's that I used in the past. Are they the best option out there to me no but if bullet placement is minded they work just fine.


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Re: Hornady A-max for hunting! [Re: dee] #3848500 12/14/12 09:38 PM
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dude i kill everthing with a 45gr, i have no doubt a 150 plus grain amax will do it too.
were debating whether match ammo has a thin or thick jacket.
they have a thinner jacket and no bond to the core



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and i dont see match ammo having anything to do with the geneva convention, that pertains to fmj's



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Originally Posted By: vanguard
and i dont see match ammo having anything to do with the geneva convention, that pertains to fmj's


It pertains greatly when it makes the use of HP ammo illegal but when it's Match HP it's ok since it has been deemed a Target bullet.


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and i dont see match ammo having anything to do with the geneva convention, that pertains to fmj's


It pertains greatly when it makes the use of HP ammo illegal but when it's Match HP it's ok since it has been deemed a Target bullet.



ya i dont think so, the law is hp bullets or expanding bullets nuthin in there about target bullets, i doubt target bullets are allowed if they expand



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What do you think the snipers use?


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have no idea
but it doesnt change the fact that target bullets are different and they do have thinner jackets

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Dee, I'm curious, what do snipers use? Hard cold facts, not what some friend of a wanna be sniper says. Please designate what sniper in what battle. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm ? Do snipers fell under different bullet rules than other soldiers, because I admit that I do not know.

I am curious that military shooters have matches and looking at the info Nosler puts out this seems rather credible to me.

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Sierra MatchKing's in the 30 cal stuff as of right now it's the 178gr was the 168 gr for many years. The 5.56 type rifles run 77gr Sierra MK's or Nosler Custom Competition bullets depending on lot. They fall under the same rules as all soldiers do but since the bullets are labeled match they are allowed use of the HP design.


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Originally Posted By: vanguard
have no idea
but it doesnt change the fact that target bullets are different and they do have thinner jackets


I'm not arguing the jacket thickness fact as I have no idea but I do know companies will reword info to keep government contracts.

& FWIW when i get done hunting this weekend I'll cut a few 30cal bullets I have 3 flavors of match bullets as well as some hunting types and I'll throw some pics up.


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Well used the 162gr Amax this morning on a deer and was shocked at the size of the exit. Bullet went through the shoulder and came out just on the front side of the opposite shoulder.



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