With a 140 maybe but not a 120 when comparing it to the 90-100gr .244 bullets. Please explain how 75-100fps make a round with less energy and lower sectional density better.

u be 2 much into numbers and not DRT

7mm-08 is fast becoming my favorite caliber, low recoil,flat shooter, will do just about anything in North America.

I've shot both and killed with both (still have both) 7mm has always given exits 243 hasn't, thats where that higher SD and weight bullet comes into play.

In 35 years of hunting with the 7mm-08 I have only shot one deer with it that I did not watch drop within a few yards and all with 139, 140 or 145 grain bullets. Cannot say the same for a lot fewer deer and hogs with the 243. Will take the 7-08 any day.

im getting 2950-2990 wit a 130 gr sierra and 3100 wit a 120gr.
i like the 243 but it will never beat its big brother

carefull my gun showed pressure with 49gr rl 19 but my friends at 50 gr did not and was sub 5 shots at a 100 both using 140gr pro hunter

the 06' was based in the 03'. most folks don't konw there is a 30-03' catridge.

"While it is true that a .270 Winchester case can be formed from a 30-06 Springfield case, the case length of a 30-06 is 2.494 inches (63.3 mm) while the case length of a .270 is 2.540 inches (64.5 mm), the same as a .30-03 Springfield. It is recommended that .270 Winchester brass be formed from .35 Whelen or .280 Remington cases"

Note you have to set the shoulder back some on a 280 Remington case if forming to a 270. Remington learned that it was possible to shoot a 280 in some 270 chambers and extended the case body on the 280 to avoid that happening. Fast forward to the introductions of the WSMs the 7mm WSM was delayed in introduction while Winchester worked out that same issue. Had they payed attention to history and cartridges they would have been able to avoid that delay.

Vanguard, FYI
As noted in the original comparison,
I cited the load data from the Nosler #6 Manual for the comparsion of the 7-08 140gr using 49gr's of RL19 as their MAX load @ 110% of case capacity
as shown on page 286
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and the data for the 270 140gr using 55 gr's of RL19 as their MAX load @ 94% of case capacity as shown on page 268.

As far as putting 70gr's of any kind of powder in a 270WCF case I believe that would be physically impossible.
However I think you might have confused the max powder capacity of the 270 WEATHERBY which IS capable of 70gr's of powder volume and DOES use a number of loads as shown in the Nosler #6 manual on page #280 above and up to 77 gr's as max loads in several powders with 140gr bullets.


As any careful and responsible reloader knows and hopefully practices...always take a piece of powder load informatiom from ANY SOURCE simply as a guide and not dead solid certain hard fact, as there are waaay too many varibles in rifles & reloading components to make that kind of a claim...and why I cite my sources by name.

As I've referred to earlier in this thread ...USING THE CORRECT IDENTITY IN COMPONENTS AND THEIR NOMENCLATURE IS CRITICAL WHEN COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES...AND NOT APPLES TO ORANGES TO MAKE UNINFORMED CRITICISM'S OR COMMENTS ABOUT.

Yes, I also concur that the 270WCF case originated in 1925 using a discontinued 30'03 case, as cited in a biography of Colonel Whelen Townsend accomplishments in the US Army Quartermaster Corps and well documented role in getting the Springfield Armory's replacement rifle, now known as the Springfied 30 cal Gvt 1906 aka 30'06, accepted by the US Army. The first effort to win the contract for new replacement of the Issue 30-40Krag failed in 1903 using heavier bullets at slower speeds, and the Springfield rifle & cartridge was redesigned slightly and won the Army Contract in 1906 at the next Trials.

Let me see if I can find my book and give you the correct name & author for your research as I am sure would want to see for yourself.
Cheers
Ron

Thanks for the reference Wiley. I was aware of most of that history but lacked the source of the 270 case since the release of the cartridge was some 20 years after the 30-06, I was somewhat puzzled and curious about its roots. With the exception of the cited OAL and neck diameter the 270 and the 25-06 have some undeniable similarities as does the whelen and the 338-06. The reference to 70 grains was tongue in cheek.

Find a copy of the book titled "Mr Rifleman" by Colonel Townsend Whelen & Brad Angier,
Copy Right 1965,
by Violet Whelen Bowling and Bradford Angier,
published by Petersen Publishing, Los Angeles CA 90028,
printed by Deseret News Press, Salt Lake City, Utah
Library of Congress catalog card number: 65 16552

This and another similar book titled "Guns & Ammo for big Game Hunting, by Elmer Keith, were Christmas gifts from my wife of 3 weeks in 1967 when we were stone broke and scratching hard to make it....but by God we were married in a church by the most famous Youth Pastor in Dallas, Reverend Tom Shipp of Lovers Lane Methodist Church. Rev Shipp's words in our pre marital counseling session still ring in my ears.
" Life is never Fair, Life is never 100% about you or 100% about her, Life is always a Negotiated Truce everyday"

I learned that "Negotiated Truce" lesson again today trying to decide on buying some new furniture...oh well.

I have re read the Whelen book several times as it is an auto biography of his life and adventures from his exploration and mapping of the Panama Canal zone during the construction of the Canal to his active involvement in the development after the Korean Conflict of various rifle and light machine guns for the US Army. Whelen never got over missing out on the Spanish American War and the invasion of Cuba, but was a key player in every shoulder fired weapon the Army used from 1900 to the 1950's and the transition from black powder to smokeless - and Col Whelen's role there that we see today, the development of the non corrosive primer as we know it today and more.

OBTW Col Whelen had no part in the development of the 35 Whelen catridge...it was named in his honor...read the Mr Rifleman book or you can find a mention of some info in the Hornady 7th Edition Manual foreword of the caliber data ... and a hint of how wide & deep Col Whelens influences ran in the US Firearms Industry.
Cheers Ya'll
Ron

I have a Pre '64 Featherweight model 70 Winchester in .243 that will knock a tooth or 2 loose!!! Never seen anything like it.

I just love reloading -08 based calibers, I may not stop until I have them all!

I bought a used Savage 110 in .270 the other day. Stole it for $200 with three different scope mounts. I just shot it today, along with my Stevens 200 7mm-08. I was shooting 130gr Winchester power points in the .270 and 140gr Rem. Core Locs in the 7mm-08. I figured the Savage .270 would rattle my teeth, but honestly, I couldn't tell a bit of difference in the recoil. They both shoot rather soft. The Stevens 200 is a lightweight rifle with its plastic stock but I did some mods and added quiet a bit of weight to it to make it heavier and more solid. The Savage has a nice walnut stock so they are probably right at the same weight. I really like the way the Savage .270 shot and its way cheaper to shoot. I actually bought a box of 130gr Monarch soft points from Academy just to sight it in and they actually grouped really well. They were $14 a box which isn't bad for a cheap hog round. I like both rounds, can't go wrong with either one.

Why choose between the two buy both

What he said!

My wife's Little Howa youth model 7mm-08 is a bad lil gun shoots sub moa at 100, much better than what I expected out of it. It is all I take to my trips to our family lease due to the fact it's compact and can really knock em down in my 60 yard food plot!!