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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
[Re: 8pointdrop]
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10/17/12 06:29 PM
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duncan78
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That is an average it the same as sayin a cow needs a acre to survive some areas are 25 acres per cow that cow not gonna stay on that or or 25 for that matter. So fifty deer per thousand is an average coyotes are crafty u don't see near as many as there are not even close. Look all the dead you see on the road. If they can catch it they will kill it and eat it simple as that. So stop arguing about every little thing and go hunting
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 06:34 PM
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txhunter25
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I let them walk kinda like yotes being around my boys love hearing them howl at night theyve never hurt me and they help keep the deer population in check...
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 06:49 PM
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I always let them walk.......right into my crosshairs. This one stepped right into a 130 grain Remington Premier Accutip.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 06:54 PM
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Exactly. And whitetail deer ain't the best momma. The new born fawns are no problem for a coyote. Run a test, count your deer and all your 2-3 yr old does are supposed to have 2 fawns with her. If not guess who I'd blame? Why are they doubting the video? There they are doing it in your face and they still doubting it.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 07:09 PM
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redchevy
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I dont doubt at all that yotes kill fawns and grown deer alike, but their success isnt that great all the time.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 07:18 PM
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I let them walk kinda like yotes being around my boys love hearing them howl at night theyve never hurt me and they help keep the deer population in check... If you had this done to your lively hood you would not let them walk.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 08:03 PM
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According to the TPWD biologist that I've been working with, there is approximately 30% fawn mortality each year due to predation by coyotes and bobcats, with coyotes causing the vast majority of the damage. Yep, they get shot at regularly around my place.
Silver spurs and gold tequila keep me hanging on. Pretty girls and old cantinas give me shelter from the storm.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 08:08 PM
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What's to keep them from doing this to a person??? We make up for it in brain power...well most of us...instead of running away untill ur almost dead anyway...think of how you can out smart the yote....i would just beat them with my bare hands...lol or climb a tree
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 08:11 PM
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Or pick up a rock. Opposing thumbs are great inventions.
Silver spurs and gold tequila keep me hanging on. Pretty girls and old cantinas give me shelter from the storm.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 08:48 PM
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What's to keep them from doing this to a person??? We make up for it in brain power...well most of us...instead of running away untill ur almost dead anyway...think of how you can out smart the yote....i would just beat them with my bare hands...lol or climb a tree Our ability to grasp with our hands also gives us a massive advantage over a coyote. Can climb, hold them down, pick up rocks/limbs/etc... There isn't a single wolf on the planet that could survive an attack from a healthy cougar for the same reason.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 08:55 PM
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I would also say clothing(protective clothing) would aid us... I mean I know I would do alot better defending myself from a yote in jeans and a t-shirt than bare arse!
Also they gotta jump a long way to grab a person by the neck, not so much for a deer.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 09:18 PM
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30%hu? That's the exact number of fawn increase we had after 1 year of predator control work. Thanks to the guys that have took up for me on here. It's hard to convince someone that turns away from a problem. Keep stacking them high guy's !!
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/17/12 10:41 PM
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Coyotes are bad. Coyotes are fun to shoot. Coyotes look cool when they are stuffed. That's all I have to say about that.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 12:23 AM
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30%hu? That's the exact number of fawn increase we had after 1 year of predator control work. Thanks to the guys that have took up for me on here. It's hard to convince someone that turns away from a problem. Keep stacking them high guy's !! What are you talking about? I'm not sure a single person on here said yote don't kill deer. No one took up for you, several people stated opinions, that is all. You're a predator control guy, I think everyone gets that. With the exception of one guy that said he likes to listen to them, not sure what that's about, no one on here would let one walk, I'm sure.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 12:40 AM
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I've never seen a coyote that I did not try to put a bullet into, or at least want to put a bullet into if I was not armed. I doubt that will ever change.
A hog is nothing more than a bullet receptacle.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 01:24 AM
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I've often wondered how I would fight a pack of yotes or dogs. I know I have rough housed with pits before and everytime they lunge at me I could side step and push them down by the back of the head as they flew by. A few times of this and they are not in too good of shape. I have also thought about pulling a King Kong in a yote by grabbing upper and lower jaw and ripping them apart. I can withstand one biting my leg long enough until I had one killed and then turn my attention on the other one. I would think the key to survival would be to keep your feet. How would you ward off a coyote attack?
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 01:33 AM
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I was refering to the quote made that said the biologist said they were eating 30% of the fawns. Thats all Now 8point you can stick it up your A22! You arm chair warriors dont have a clue about the real world and the way things work in nature except what you read from The DR Deer Flukys. Matter of fact I got on here to meet some people and maybe make a few freinds to talk hunting but all you Sobs wanna do is jump on everything someone says. So dont worry bout me a bit guys, My life was way better before I ever got on this thing. Bye!!!!
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 01:46 AM
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8pointdrop
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Seemed like you were saying people don't think yotes kill deer. No need to get bent outta shape. Y'all think I p!ssed him off?
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 01:54 AM
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Exactly. And whitetail deer ain't the best momma. The new born fawns are no problem for a coyote. Run a test, count your deer and all your 2-3 yr old does are supposed to have 2 fawns with her. If not guess who I'd blame? Why are they doubting the video? There they are doing it in your face and they still doubting it. When I kill does annually for numbers control and do fetus counts I see variations from year to year based on age and range conditions. Not every doe is carrying twins when I check them when gutting. Age does not really effect the numbers as much as range conditions. You are correct in saying not all doe are good mothers some will walk off and leave a fawn to die but most are very protective of their young. Let one make a distress call and see how many does in the area repsond.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 01:55 AM
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30%hu? That's the exact number of fawn increase we had after 1 year of predator control work. Thanks to the guys that have took up for me on here. It's hard to convince someone that turns away from a problem. Keep stacking them high guy's !! Was it your trapping or more rainfall and better fawning cover that made the differnce? I have seen 20% fawns crops in a drought year turn into 85% with rain and no predator control the next.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 04:26 AM
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A yote is going to eat rabbits, mice, sick or wounded deer, and carion long before he even thinks of tackleing a healthy deer. Most or many of the hunters on here speak of culling deer. It is my belief that almost any deer that can be taken out by a yote or two probably needs to be culled. And in this great state we hunt in our deer population is probably way too high anyway. So in my humble opinion yotes really don't bother me a bit. I will shoot them if its convenient to do so but I will not announce to the natural world where I am sitting during prime hunting times. Besides, yotes are fasinating to watch.
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 03:19 PM
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Let me perhaps burst a few bubbles..Coyotes and Cats usually go after the healthiest largest animals they can get..Yes they will take a freebee like sick or injured. I have watched Mountain Lions jump full grown large healthy Bull Elk and it was over very shortly. When I still had hounds a few years back a rancher called me out of Bandera that had a very large Axis Buck killed, partially eaten and buried in the middle of his field..Horns sticking up..Mountain Lion...Todd Mischnick has trapped West Tx for yrs. and he catches mainly Coyotes..and it's not because they don't hunt and kill, especially sheep..Don
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 04:11 PM
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I was out for a run inside San Antonio city limits out by Camp Bullis and I was chased and stood down by a coyote. I ended up having to throw a rock at the SOB to get it to back down and it shadowed me as I turned around and ran the way I came. My buddies wife told me she called 911 in tears because some yotes took down a fawn in her backyard (chicago)
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Re: Coyotes Take Down Healthy 6 pt Buck
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10/18/12 04:22 PM
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Let me perhaps burst a few bubbles..Coyotes and Cats usually go after the healthiest largest animals they can get..Yes they will take a freebee like sick or injured. I have watched Mountain Lions jump full grown large healthy Bull Elk and it was over very shortly. When I still had hounds a few years back a rancher called me out of Bandera that had a very large Axis Buck killed, partially eaten and buried in the middle of his field..Horns sticking up..Mountain Lion...Todd Mischnick has trapped West Tx for yrs. and he catches mainly Coyotes..and it's not because they don't hunt and kill, especially sheep..Don Your end conclusion is partially correct, but the means by which you arrived at it isn't. Cougars and coyotes (and actually any and all predators) do not "usually go after the healthiest and largest animals they can get". That's false. Quite the opposite. Lions, tigers, cheetahs, coyotes, cougars, etc all prey on the weakest animals in the pack if they have a choice. It's an evolutionary learned behavior because in nature, even a slight injury can end up fatal if it prevents the predator from moving at full speed. The added nutritional content of taking a heavier healthy buck over a sick or small one does not make up for the additional risk of sustaining an injury in doing so. You end up seeing a lot of the larger bucks (with whitetails) killed by cougars because the bigger, dominant bucks tend to be the most likely to stand their ground instead of running. And while they may be big and bad, they still can't handle a cougar and become cat food. Coyotes do not target large bucks unless they're desperate. They'll always pick the weaker animals if they have any option whatsoever.
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