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Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines #3638948 10/07/12 04:23 PM
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Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: RKHarm24] #3639994 10/07/12 10:37 PM
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I'm one of those that's bought into the whole "don't use steel cased ammo in an AR" thing. Maybe I should try it.


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Well, I was also that way until I bought my first AR. I bought single boxes of 6-8 different brands and bullet weights. The Silver Bear 62gr JHP with the Zinc plated cases shot very well, meaning accurate. No malfunctions either. I shot Wolf, Tula and Ulyanovsk.
Not a single burp or bobble. The MFS being sold has a Zinc plating on the cases like Sil Bear.
I am soon to try Tulammo Steel case in my XDm, Sig 239 and Shield 9mm.
May even try some in the XDs of 45acp.



Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: tth_40] #3640016 10/07/12 10:47 PM
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My AR-15 purrs on MFS and Hornady steel match ammo.



Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: tth_40] #3640024 10/07/12 10:49 PM
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i tried using steel cased tulammo,and all it did was have fte.I physically had to bang the rifle on the bench to get it out of the chamber every round

Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: dirtybird7890] #3640061 10/07/12 11:05 PM
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I'll probably try the same thing, a box or two with each type and see how they do. All I have now is just a plain factory DPMS 20" A2.


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Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: tth_40] #3640119 10/07/12 11:25 PM
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I'll probably try the same thing, a box or two with each type and see how they do. All I have now is just a plain factory DPMS 20" A2.

You may have the best results since you have a rifle gas system. Gives he shell casing longer to retract/shrink prior to extraction from the chamber.



Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: RKHarm24] #3640176 10/07/12 11:44 PM
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I shoot so much that thats all I shoot now days is steel. I won't own a rifle that won't run it. Nearly every person I know that actually shoots, use a bunch of steel. I ran all Tula at my last two matches.


Edit: MAC makes some great vids he post alot on Arfcom, just reviewed the new Tavor as well.

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My grandpa even shot steel in WW2





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I have nothing against steel case ammo but I fail to see how running steel case ammo doesnt some how cause more wear than brass case ammo. I mean common sense tells me that steel on steel is going to cause more wear than brass on steel.

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I have nothing against steel case ammo but I fail to see how running steel case ammo doesnt some how cause more wear than brass case ammo. I mean common sense tells me that steel on steel is going to cause more wear than brass on steel.


Only thing that could wear faster is the 6 dollar extractor, and you save that much on the your first two boxes of steel.


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Originally Posted By: DallasShootingSupplies
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I have nothing against steel case ammo but I fail to see how running steel case ammo doesnt some how cause more wear than brass case ammo. I mean common sense tells me that steel on steel is going to cause more wear than brass on steel.


Only thing that could wear faster is the 6 dollar extractor, and you save that much on the your first two boxes of steel.
That was my thinking as well. 6 bucks and 5 minutes of my time certainly seems worth the savings. I'm going to try some different steel loads and see how they fare.


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Another thing to think of on wear is that these aren't near as powerful as 5.56 (like M855 and XM193) so may actually be causing less wear. I have never seen a gun hurt by steel, and see a bunch of guys using it in their 10k dollar transferrable machine guns.


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I have nothing against steel case ammo but I fail to see how running steel case ammo doesnt some how cause more wear than brass case ammo. I mean common sense tells me that steel on steel is going to cause more wear than brass on steel.


Only thing that could wear faster is the 6 dollar extractor, and you save that much on the your first two boxes of steel.
That was my thinking as well. 6 bucks and 5 minutes of my time certainly seems worth the savings. I'm going to try some different steel loads and see how they fare.


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Another good point.


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After picking up my Aug, I am definetly a bullpup fan now.

Will definetly be snagging a Tavor! Hoping they start shipping my May-June.


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Re: Wolf Ammo with AR type Rifles & Carbines [Re: DallasShootingSupplies] #3640988 10/08/12 03:31 AM
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Even if you completely wear the barrel out you're talking about a $140 part on a factory AR. If you shoot a lot, it doesn't take long to make up $140 in savings, and I've seen lots of different guns eat steel and never bobble.

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I have gone through hundreds of steel cases in my AR's an never had any problems. I bought some steel cased monarch .380 and my P238 would not shoot them. The extractor wouldnt grab the case.

For the cost of steel cased ammo i would definately buy it to blow through my rifles. But for accuracy i will buy better ammo!

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Between the three AR's I have left they have around 20k rounds of steel cased ammo through them. My main rifle is a 12.5 sbr that has aproximately 10k rounds through it (much of it full auto) and most has been steel cased. I only use brass ammo at classes and when hunting hogs.

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The only problems I've experienced is shooting brass and steel together. Chamber gets dirtier with steel, brass will sometimes stick if you don't brush it out good.

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I still don't suggest using steel ammo in AR's. That stuff is ok, but it comes with risks, mostly associated with inconsistant powder loads. I actually had a customer bring in a S&W M&P15 in last month where the case had to be heavily hammered out with a dowel rod because of over pressure, it actually bent his bolt carrier group. That cheap ammo cost him $250.00 in parts, labor and cleaning just to get it to work again. He would have saved money, time, and the headache getting brass ammo instead. And honestly, I told him that I felt it will never operate at 100% again. There were parts out of spec after using that ammo. Just because you see a video of a guy on Youtube saying a certain ammo is good to use doesn't mean it really is. Now using the steel ammo in handguns, I haven't seen any cases where issues arised.

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It works great in a 556 chamber.....not so well in a 223 chamber. As far as wear is concerned, I can't say FOR SURE one way or the other.


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