Looking through my Crystal Ball, I can that the Son already has people lined up to take over the Lease if (when) the current people vacate.

I'm with the others. You've had a good run, but it's time to move on. No matter what daddy says, this guy will be trouble for you.

Yep.

Like the others have said- cut your losses and move on. Talking to Daddy is just going to stoke the inconsiderate son worse. No good outcome to this one unless the son moves to California.

I think packing and leaving now is bad advise. Your probably not going to get your money back no matter what.

I would talk to the LO, dont do it in an im calling you out or look here you old sob manner, that wont get you anywhere. Just tell your concerns, reconfirm what the agreement is, if he agrees with what you say and the son isnt supposed to be there then say ok well my camera took these, so aparently he doesnt know that.

Not good. Yet another reason why I'm not too keen on leases anymore. Last one I was on, the grandson of the property owner was also hunting it with his friends. Made for some uncomfortable encounters. I'm done with leasing.

Landowners deadbeat son's typically have an unrivaled sense of entitlement. But the good thing is if he's moving back home at 42 and acting like that the landowner is prolly used to this behavior and knows how to deal with it do it never hurts to ask

I'd chalk up that five hundo as a loss and say adios. Daddy ain't gonna reign in his little boy for that.

The man-child will probably lease it right back out at $1500/gun, MAYBE pay pops $500/gun and pocket the grand per gun he just made.

I'd yesterday.

That kind of behavior is all the proof required to show the landowner has never delt with it, if he had it wouldnt be happening now!

I hear a lot of people talking about this or that. We had a problem about five years ago with the grandson of land owner. Grandson got into his jeep and was running the roads up and down, mudding and such, while a couple of hunters were out. One hunter actually walked up to the road and spoke with the grandson and was told to get bent, this was his land just as well as grandfather's land, and he would do dang well what he pleased. Needless to say, I got called about it, and the grandson was dang lucky he didn't get his ears boxed by the hunter.

I called the landowner, it was Thanksgiving, and after telling him about the incident, the grandfather was about to tell me how he was going to take care of the problem when I heard a loud vehicle coming up the road via the telephone. Landowner told me to hold on a second and then I heard him ripping into the grandson. The grandson was saying that he was threatened by the hunter and then I heard a loud "whop" and the kid started screaming that he was sorry. Landowner was yelling at his grandson, telling him that if he had X-amount of money to give to him, then he could run the roads all he liked, but until then, to give him the jeep keys and get his rear into the house and he was not to come out until his parents came to get him. Landowner got back with me, said he was sorry and if there was ever a problem like this again, he would take care of us.

We've not had any problems since.

Yeah you have/had a sweet deal. Doubt you will find another like that. Maybe see if you can, try to salvage this deal. You know this guy is probably not a hunter and it is not hunting season yet. Just saying MAYBE he doesn't know better. Here's a thought, why go to the LO? Go talk to the son over a few cold ones, maybe invite him to hunt, feel him out. I think you will probably know pretty quick wher this will be going. Good luck to you.

It's obvious you're to the point where you can just walk away. So put it all on the table and see what the LO does. If you're only paying 500 per gun, it is likely you'll be the one leaving.

"I hear a lot of people talking about this or that. We had a problem about five years ago with the grandson of land owner. Grandson got into his jeep and was running the roads up and down, mudding and such, while a couple of hunters were out. One hunter actually walked up to the road and spoke with the grandson and was told to get bent, this was his land just as well as grandfather's land, and he would do dang well what he pleased. Needless to say, I got called about it, and the grandson was dang lucky he didn't get his ears boxed by the hunter.

I called the landowner, it was Thanksgiving, and after telling him about the incident, the grandfather was about to tell me how he was going to take care of the problem when I heard a loud vehicle coming up the road via the telephone. Landowner told me to hold on a second and then I heard him ripping into the grandson. The grandson was saying that he was threatened by the hunter and then I heard a loud "whop" and the kid started screaming that he was sorry. Landowner was yelling at his grandson, telling him that if he had X-amount of money to give to him, then he could run the roads all he liked, but until then, to give him the jeep keys and get his rear into the house and he was not to come out until his parents came to get him. Landowner got back with me, said he was sorry and if there was ever a problem like this again, he would take care of us.

We've not had any problems since."

Stories like these let me keep believing there are still some good people out there.

The guy is 42 years old. He isn't going to be told what to do on his land, or his fathers, and more than likely the old man isn't going to push the issue either.

You can try but I wouldn't expect a lasting positive outcome, so cutting your losses and looking for a new lease would be your best bet.

Really sorry for you, but what's stated above is correct.

I wont argue with this, but at least see what pans out first. You paid your money, and my bet is you arent getting it back. Have a calm cool colected come to Jesus with the LO, resist the urge to call him or his son bad names, hunt the season out and if things are bad then pack your chit and get, but no way im gonna packup and leave before season starts after I paid my money!

Good luck, I hope it is resolved to your satifaction.

Ever think of maybe talking to the son?

A deer lease is a yearly income for most land owners. Who is collecting the money? The Father or the son? Talk to the land owner. Is he really going to let his son jeopardize part of his income? How many paying members on your lease? Seems like a bad situation but definitely worth making the owner aware.

You'd be surprised how easy it will be for the LO to fill that lease, and there are people who would put up with a lot worse, and pay a lot more when it gets close to the season, and they don't have a place to hunt.

the son is 42, how old is the land owner?

I think you're going to be dealing with the AR15 shooting son as the new landowner soon enough, unless you cut your losses and move on.

Land owner is in his mid 60's and in pretty good health. I don't think he is aware of any of this. He has ALWAYS gone out of his way to take care of us and we take care of him and his property do I think he will put a stop to it... We will see

If you ALL threaten to leave, and word gets around...no more money from a busted lease. If the owner has an ounce of integrity and intelligence, he'll make right. Of course, the 42 year old sounds like he's had practice being a @#$%, too...

I understand not wanting him driving around the lease and walking by your feeders, but is there really a problem with him occasionally shooting skeet and ARs in the summer time?

Not trying to stir the pot! Just an honest question!

Shoot every deer you legaly can then bolt