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Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 04:40 PM
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I bought 20 bags of corn yesterday and while I was unloading them I felt like some weighed more than others. I weighed several of thme and discovered that some were 2-3 lbs. light. I emailed the store where I bought them and let them know about the problem and I am waiting to see how they will respond. The price they had was 9.50 per 50 lb.. A red flag for me was when the boy loading it for me said that they were bagging it themselves. I see an opportunity for someone to cheat you if they are bagging it themselves and undercutting all of the other stores by 1-2 dollars a bag. Some did weigh the correct weight but my point is they should all be the correct weight. So be on the lookout, if you think they don`t all weigh the same they may
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 04:43 PM
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txshntr
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You noticed the difference between 48lbs and 50lbs just by unloading them? Impressive I have weighed some of the ones that are not bagged at the feed lot. Some weighed 48 and some weighed 52...figured it all balanced out
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 04:43 PM
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BigAL33
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Man, corn sure is expensive this year!
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 04:44 PM
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txshntr
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Was last year too
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 04:54 PM
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:00 PM
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I have never weighed a bag but I bet if everyone weighed all of their bags there would be some that weighed more and some that weighed less.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:14 PM
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grb
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I was driving by a corn field that was cultivating and saw a guy at the loading trailor. Stopped by and asked if they would sell me some corn. Bought a truck load for $50. Got home and bagged it up and got over 1500 lbs. of corn. Was I stoked. See em cutting corn in your area might be a good idea to stop by.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:14 PM
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:17 PM
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Even dry corn contains some moisture. Corn can dry out in the bag, as the moisture evaporates, the bag will weigh less. The same will happen in reverse, if you store it the corn in a damp moist area, the bags will absorb the moisture out of the surrounding air. So it is not fraud, just a natural occurence that happens all of the time. My question is how could you tell the difference between 48 pounds and 50 pounds? Or was this a line of ?
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:22 PM
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I was driving by a corn field that was cultivating and saw a guy at the loading trailor. Stopped by and asked if they would sell me some corn. Bought a truck load for $50. Got home and bagged it up and got over 1500 lbs. of corn. Was I stoked. See em cutting corn in your area might be a good idea to stop by. Was it dry enough to bag? If it wasn't you might have 1500 pounds of molded corn. You might also look up "aflatoxin in corn".
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:22 PM
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I agree it's fraud. They also advertise it as "deer corn" but yet all the birds and mice and other critters as well as hogs eat it so what's up with that? If I pay for deer corn, that is exactly what I want, not critter corn or bird corn!
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:23 PM
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grb
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Yea, it was very dry. Put it in bags and left open for two days. Looked good to me.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 05:39 PM
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Proably was not his corn he was picking or he was hired help 1500 / 56 lbs = 26.78 bushels at 8 per bushel = $214.28 he would be crazy to sell it to you for 50.00
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 06:04 PM
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Proably was not his corn he was picking or he was hired help 1500 / 56 lbs = 26.78 bushels at 8 per bushel = $214.28 he would be crazy to sell it to you for 50.00 It could not have been dry enough and he would have had to pay drying fees. Just because it felt dry, doesn't mean it would meet elevator moisture requirements. Also the corn was probably not tested for aflatoxin.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 06:10 PM
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When the kid loading it for me said the owner was bagging it himself I thought that was odd. When you are cheaper than everyone else there might be a reason. That is why I checked it . And when I checked the other corn from another dealer they were all the same(50.5 lbs). It may not sound like much , but I will bet you that if I had of offered them 10 cents less per bag they would have said absolutely not.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 06:21 PM
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I worked at the feed mill in Lewisville growing up bagging feed and have been to large bag plants where they sack feed, corn, etc. I have a news flash for you, it is all done "by hand". There is no 50# button they hit and 50# comes out. As many times as not you get more, sometimes less. Unless that sucker weighed 35# I would have never wasted an email much less call it fraud
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 07:02 PM
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I bet if you weighed all of them you would have found some that were heavy. We mess with alot of bagged corn like someone said there is not a 50# button you do the best you can when you are bagging. I bet the reason some felt light was because some were very heavy (over 50)
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 07:13 PM
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I guess they should have a "thats close enough button" according to you. So I guess you are willing to pay for a 50 lb. bag and get only 47-48 lbs. I will gladly pay you .94cents for every dollar bill you have. It`s the same thing. I don`t understand anyone thinking "well that`s close enough". Most of us work hard for our money and all we want is what we pay for. What is the difference in me wanting 53 lbs. but wanting to pay for only 50lbs. I`m Done.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 07:36 PM
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If you want to get precise, a 50lb bag of corn should weigh 50 lbs, at 15.5% moisture content. A lot of corn is sold at 12% moisture, so you can be 1.5lbs light, and have the same amount by volume. It could be that they are doing volume equivalent taking 50 lb sacks and filling them to a mark that yields 50lbs at 15.5% moisture. It's not a good way of doing it.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 07:40 PM
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I guess they should have a "thats close enough button" according to you. So I guess you are willing to pay for a 50 lb. bag and get only 47-48 lbs. I will gladly pay you .94cents for every dollar bill you have. It`s the same thing. I don`t understand anyone thinking "well that`s close enough". Most of us work hard for our money and all we want is what we pay for. What is the difference in me wanting 53 lbs. but wanting to pay for only 50lbs. I`m Done. so will you pay them more for every bag that weighed over 50lbs? no, you wont.
If I send my neighbors a text and ask them to give me feedback on my lawn and plant rye into a giant dong pattern, I'm probably going to get some less than positive feedback. Same goes here.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 07:54 PM
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hermano W
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When they bag corn it is not an exact science. They set the bag on the scales and push a button to start the corn auger. Corn pours into the bag and when the bagger sees the scales nearing 50# he shuts off the auger. The corn in the tube still comes out for a short time. Each bag's weight depends on how well he times it. Corn is pretty heavy, and it doesn't take long for tiny miscalculations on the part of the bagger to make a pound or more of difference in the sack weight. Also take into consideration that the guy doing all this button pushing is getting minimum wage, and could care less about people out there who expect to get exactly 50# out of a 50# sack.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 07:57 PM
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I agree it's fraud. They also advertise it as "deer corn" but yet all the birds and mice and other critters as well as hogs eat it so what's up with that? If I pay for deer corn, that is exactly what I want, not critter corn or bird corn! In that case don't ever try Indian corn or otherwise be ready for a fight.
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 10:14 PM
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typically if you are selling something by weight or volume you are supposed to use certified scales. I know we have to have our fuel pumps re-calibrated and re-certified every few years I'd bet they are using a set of bathroom scales from wal mart you'd better lawyer up for this one just kidding of course
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 10:18 PM
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I agree it's fraud. They also advertise it as "deer corn" but yet all the birds and mice and other critters as well as hogs eat it so what's up with that? If I pay for deer corn, that is exactly what I want, not critter corn or bird corn! Until I put PVC on the feeder legs it should have been labled Racoon Corn
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Re: Corn Fraud
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08/16/12 11:03 PM
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I was driving by a corn field that was cultivating and saw a guy at the loading trailor. Stopped by and asked if they would sell me some corn. Bought a truck load for $50. Got home and bagged it up and got over 1500 lbs. of corn. Was I stoked. See em cutting corn in your area might be a good idea to stop by. you didn't buy that corn, you paid a hand $50 to help you steal a truck load of corn
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