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Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 03:36 PM
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The long term outlook for hunting remains dismal. Diminshed habitat with increasing prices and fewer younger hunters make the future outlook grim for the longterm. How do you change the trend? Whitetail rule in Texas and it has no real competitor. Most of it is on private land in Texas. Whitetail needs an alternative that doesn't involve high priced canned hunts in high fence. That alternative could involve the African swamp antelope, Puku, Lechwe and Sitatunga. In Texas alone the preserves along the upper coast and in the East Texas lakes could provide habitat where these animals could thrive. Big Hill refuge and just about everywhere along Steinhagen Lake even look like the native habitat. It would be good for just about everyone.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 03:45 PM
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HEB has heavy duty tinfoil on sale.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 03:52 PM
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People have been predicting the end of hunting for over a hundred years. In truth, there are probably more opportunities for hunting now than there has ever been. I would say the biggest problem these days is cost. A lot of kids and young folks just can't afford to spend the money it takes.
I believe all of the species you listed already exist in Texas but probably cost more to hunt than a whitetail so I'm not sure how this would help recruit young hunters?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 03:59 PM
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And it's happening. IBIS worldwide and other data banks have shown it for over a decade. By all accounts it's an industry in decline, one the gun companies have long recognized. It's really a simple concept. Provide an alternative to whitetail on public land that is cheaper to hunt. More interest will generate more hunters.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:02 PM
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Hey dogcatcher,
How and why do you think all the Axis and Blackbuck got here? Here's a huge hint. It didn't involve tinfoil.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:07 PM
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The problem is introducing a non-native species. Axis deer have provided a lot of hunting opportunities but have not helped out the native whitetails too much!!!
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:18 PM
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It's really a simple concept. Provide an alternative to whitetail on public land that is cheaper to hunt. More interest will generate more hunters. there are tons of hunters getting into the sport. i would say for ever one dropping out one is getting into it. In any case, public hunting in texas for the most part is a joke. Except for draw hunts in areas like the chapparel, kerr WMA, enchanted rock, majority of the public land is done in east texas. The state does little to manage those properties for wildlife, so the deer numbers are low and the hunter numbers are high. the state owns thousands of other acres but dosen't have the man power to operate these places. The state is not going to bring in any more exotics, they really don't want the ones that are here now. the reason that texas hunting is so highly regarded is BECAUSE of the majority of land being under private ownership. ya'll have got to get off this "hunting is only for the rich guys now who can afford super high fence weekend hunt" that is a b.s statement. yes, hunting costs money. Hunting has always cost money. Be thankful you live in a state where you can buy a tags at walmart, load up and go hunt on places you have permission. other states, you have to draw a tag. what good is having a million acres to hunt if you didn't draw a tag?
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:22 PM
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:26 PM
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:37 PM
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7mag and I soon will be offering exotic rabbit hunts on a Texas ranch. It will be free range with low fence, with only spot and stalk. No blinds, no feeders.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:40 PM
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7mag and I soon will be offering exotic rabbit hunts on a Texas ranch. It will be free range with low fence, with only spot and stalk. No blinds, no feeders. i'd sign up for that!
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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7mag and I soon will be offering exotic rabbit hunts on a Texas ranch. It will be free range with low fence, with only spot and stalk. No blinds, no feeders. i'd sign up for that! We will save you a spot. You will love how they taste, just like rattlesnake.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Yes, let the great hunts begin again!!!
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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7mag and I soon will be offering exotic rabbit hunts on a Texas ranch. It will be free range with low fence, with only spot and stalk. No blinds, no feeders. i'd sign up for that! We will save you a spot. You will love how they taste, just like rattlesnake. pffft. i'm a trophy hunter. I could care less how bunny backstrap tastes. I wanna be the first kid on my block with a bunny wall pedestal mount
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Here are 2 we spotted this morning.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Here are 2 we spotted this morning. one in the rear has a tad longer ears. is behind the shoulder the best spot to aim or should i practice for a neckie?
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 04:54 PM
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Here are 2 we spotted this morning. one in the rear has a tad longer ears. is behind the shoulder the best spot to aim or should i practice for a neckie? Definetly the one at the rear as he only has 3 legs.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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your right.....maybe he would run slower
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 05:19 PM
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We do not need more exotics IMO. Sure they are fun to hunt and the "season" is not regulated except for on state properties but I think we have enough species now. I het there are hogs already in the areas mentioned in the OP to privide hunting opertunities for new hunters.
Do we need to do things to bolster the numbers of hunters? Yes
Ask yourself this, do I as a hunter try to promote hunting and shooting to those that never have hunted or shot? If the answer is no try it sometime it can be rewarding. I have taken 11 new hunters out to my lease in the last 10 years.
TYHP is always looking for volunteers.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 05:24 PM
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Ask yourself this, do I as a hunter try to promote hunting and shooting to those that never have hunted or shot? If the answer is no try it sometime it can be rewarding. I have taken 11 new hunters out to my lease in the last 10 years.
TYHP is always looking for volunteers. this is the key. no matter how many opportunities one has, if they don't have a mentor, hunting is not going to be self taught. I guide about 5 or 6 first timers every year. its an amazing feeling to be with someone who shoots their first deer
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 05:26 PM
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I really don't think hunting has diminished any high degree here in the U.S. It may have internationally, but most likely that is due to the severe economic conditions worldwide. The number of hunters is usually based upon the number of hunting "licenses" that are issued each year - therefore counting only LEGAL hunters. The massive explosion of the feral hog population is most likely the cause for any downturn of license being sold, new laws have changed for hunting pigs. So....if we ever need something to hunt besides deer......
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 05:30 PM
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Buddy killed a free range Red Stag out by fork. Pretty cool, good meat.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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06/10/12 06:03 PM
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jd, Actually hunters have decreased in the US significantly. US Fish and Wildlife report a 9% decrease in hunters from 1996 to 2006. Their reports come out every five years so the 2011 data should be available shortly. The trend in hunting numbers have been shifting downward for several decades, so there is no reason to think that it won't continue. You also have well funded anti-hunting groups both nationally and internationally. Botswana will reportedly close to hunting after this year, but the slack has been taken up by Namibia and Mozambique. But this is not so much about hunting as much as would the introduction of a few more species be a viable option, especially in areas that don't support deer/antelope type animals. Axis have worked out nicely, they're not especially competitive with whitetail and they can be hunted all year especially in summer. On the other hand feral pig are a huge problem and are a disaster waiting to happen. Steinhagen Lake would be a good place for a trial. The lake is rapidly silting up and is no longer a good flood control or hydroelectric compound. The state has already rejected dredging it because of expense. Sabine Game Refuge in Louisiana also provides good habitat and so on. I'm not sure what anybody has to lose in such a project. The Bighorn Sheep project has cost millions with only a handful of huntable animals produced and that only recently and over years.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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jd, Actually hunters have decreased in the US significantly. US Fish and Wildlife report a 9% decrease in hunters from 1996 to 2006. Their reports come out every five years so the 2011 data should be available shortly. The trend in hunting numbers have been shifting downward for several decades, so there is no reason to think that it won't continue. You also have well funded anti-hunting groups both nationally and internationally. Botswana will reportedly close to hunting after this year, but the slack has been taken up by Namibia and Mozambique. But this is not so much about hunting as much as would the introduction of a few more species be a viable option, especially in areas that don't support deer/antelope type animals. Axis have worked out nicely, they're not especially competitive with whitetail and they can be hunted all year especially in summer. On the other hand feral pig are a huge problem and are a disaster waiting to happen. Steinhagen Lake would be a good place for a trial. The lake is rapidly silting up and is no longer a good flood control or hydroelectric compound. The state has already rejected dredging it because of expense. Sabine Game Refuge in Louisiana also provides good habitat and so on. I'm not sure what anybody has to lose in such a project. The Bighorn Sheep project has cost millions with only a handful of huntable animals produced and that only recently and over years. who cares what happens in botswana? those hunting markets are sustained by international hunters anyway. there are enough exotics already in texas to hunt. if people wanna hunt, go shoot feral hogs. how do you think the state, who is already on a redline budget, gonna aquire these exotic animals? thru marlboro miles or upc codes off cracker jack boxes? and what renue is it going to provide in return? a few more $48 dollar APH permints? most of the animals would probably be poached off anyway, leaving it a total loss in terms of money. the bighorn restoration projects are mostly funded by private individuals.
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Re: Could Introduction of the Swamp Exotics Help Save Hunting?
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Wrong again, plains game hunting in RSA and Namibia is priced to compete and especially to go after the Texas market. Packages for several days of hunting and several animals which can include airfare can be less than a south Texas deer lease much less the trophy fee on a HF whitetail you couldn't book in the first place. The president of Namibia even visited here, meeting with booking agents pushing their product. How do you get the money? Lots of ways. BTW do you have an inkling of an idea of how hunting is and can be funded?
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