Wow! If you pot shoot on the ground you gonna wound more than you pick up. Anytime lead shot nicks a quail bird gangreen sets in and that nicked birds dies.My opinion of one that pot shoots is not a sportsman.

How do you miss something standing still with birdshot...

Quail are obviously covey birds, that how when you shoot at an entire covey on the ground you get wounded birds. To me personally, shooting quail that are on the ground is unsportsman but to each his own. My definition of a meat hunter is pretty much the same as CCs definition.

Pheasant are another story. If you only shoot pointed pheasant you're very to lucky to have 3 birds in your bag by the end of the day. Although I got 4 in 25 min 2 years ago in Kansas. Complete luck as I stumbled into about 85 birds flying as different times into a central location in CRP, as the sun was going down, and a little wind and snow to help make them hold tight. I don't think shooting unpointed pheasant makes you a meat hunter just because of the way those birds are. When it comes to pheasant, a meat hunter to me is those armies that plow through field after field shooting anything that moves. That's how whole covies of quail get wiped out quick, they're viewed as bonus birds by those guys. I don't have a lot of respect for the groups of 20 guys and 10 labs that obliterate fields. 4-6 guys is one thing, but if you're going to have so many guys that you have to take 7 trucks to a field, then save yourself the time and set the field on fire and shoot them as they fly out. I wish those guys would just go to a tower shoot, cause that's what they're really after. But like I said, to each his own and they pay their money just like I do.....

You wouldn't like hunting my ranch... 60 birds really isn't that many birds..

And most small parties actually do better then large parties. If I only have 4 guys with me usually they will have their birds in under 45 min. with 20min being driving time...Bigger parties take lot longer.

Meat hunters hunt pen birds.

I haven't been on a lease where the kind of things people have said they do would be allowed.

If it flies, it dies

your suppose to get a deer lease and then on your off time go shoot a few quail...

We obviously don't run in the same circles. I know people who have bought and maintain ranches just to hunt quail.
Yes, people get caught up in it.

The world stands still for a lot of us when a bird dog goes on point. It's like walking into and out of a beautiful painting all day long.

Quail management

Ever hear of James A Baker or Sam Walton? How about T. Boone Pickens? They spent thousands on quail management.

Ever hear of James A Baker or Sam Walton? How about T. Boone Pickens? They spent thousands on quail management.

I'd say more. It takes around 1,000 acres each year for quail. How much for deer?