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Re: Take the survey [Re: Pointer] #3083345 03/12/12 12:41 PM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,064 Houston,TX C CSF Extreme Tracker
CSF Extreme Tracker C Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,064 Houston,TX	Originally Posted By: Pointer So what has changed (according to ole' Gary) to put our favored game in such dire shape?? How about virtually no predator control...hawks, owls, coyotes, skunks, cats, coons, dogs galore! They don't respect game laws, and hunt and eat 24/7. Probably not a popular hypothesis, but tell me I am wrong. This is what I think is the main cause for the demise. Run into lots more predators than I used to.

Re: Take the survey [Re: CSF] #3083439 03/12/12 01:35 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 362 D dobank Bird Dog
dobank Bird Dog D Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 362	CSF you may be on to something; back in the 60's and 70's when fur prices were good; many people were trapping coons, ringtails, foxes, feral cats and other predators. We seems to have more quail back then.

Re: Take the survey [Re: dobank] #3091441 03/15/12 05:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,552 Ovilla - TEXAS R reeltexan THF Celebrity
reeltexan THF Celebrity R Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,552 Ovilla - TEXAS	"a steady decline since 1966" 'bout sums it up and it ain't looking too good. "If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Ronald Reagan

Re: Take the survey [Re: Pointer] #3092423 03/16/12 12:45 AM
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 5,711 South Texas S STXHO THF Trophy Hunter
STXHO THF Trophy Hunter S Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 5,711 South Texas	Originally Posted By: Pointer I personally think shortening the season is a stab in the dark. I don't believe there are enough people involved in hunting wild bobwhite quail in Texas to make a difference. For example, just note how many people follow what is going on in this forum discussion vs. how many are visiting the deer hunting forum discussions at any given time. It has become, over the years, a game for the wealthy...not the general population anymore. So what has changed (according to ole' Gary) to put our favored game in such dire shape?? How about virtually no predator control...hawks, owls, coyotes, skunks, cats, coons, dogs galore! They don't respect game laws, and hunt and eat 24/7. Probably not a popular hypothesis, but tell me I am wrong. BTW: I did take the survey. Thanks, Ray B You hit the nail on the head. www.southtexashuntingoutfitters.com

Re: Take the survey [Re: STXHO] #3092562 03/16/12 01:34 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 91,416 Katy-Fulshear bill oxner THF Celebrity
bill oxner THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 91,416 Katy-Fulshear	Originally Posted By: stxhunterhjm Originally Posted By: Pointer I personally think shortening the season is a stab in the dark. I don't believe there are enough people involved in hunting wild bobwhite quail in Texas to make a difference. For example, just note how many people follow what is going on in this forum discussion vs. how many are visiting the deer hunting forum discussions at any given time. It has become, over the years, a game for the wealthy...not the general population anymore. So what has changed (according to ole' Gary) to put our favored game in such dire shape?? How about virtually no predator control...hawks, owls, coyotes, skunks, cats, coons, dogs galore! They don't respect game laws, and hunt and eat 24/7. Probably not a popular hypothesis, but tell me I am wrong. BTW: I did take the survey. Thanks, Ray B You hit the nail on the head. So what happened to the honey bees and the meadow larks? Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill

Re: Take the survey [Re: bill oxner] #3093036 03/16/12 04:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,591 Bishop, Texas P Pointer Pro Tracker
Pointer Pro Tracker P Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,591 Bishop, Texas	Originally Posted By: bill oxner So what happened to the honey bees and the meadow larks? Well, it looks like the honey bee has become africanized, and there is no shortage of them down here. Bee swarms come buzzing by starting about this time every year. It is what I dread running into most in the brush. And we have meadowlarks down here too. Granted I haven't seen 'em around the house yet this year, but they are here. Honestly didn't know there was a shortage of either species.

Re: Take the survey [Re: Pointer] #3093491 03/16/12 01:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 283 Texas T tinkerbell Bird Dog
tinkerbell Bird Dog T Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 283 Texas	All grassland bird species, pretty much, are on a nationwide decline since the same time frame. Prairie Chickens, quail, Dickcissels, bobolinks, Henslows sparrow, grasshopper sparrow, etc, etc, etc Clean farming, urbanization, land clearing, are the major culprits with red imported fire ants, predation, and drought being excacerbating factors on an already stressed resource (quail). Add to that patchwork land fragmentation and intact self sustaining quail populations are further and further apart so local extinctions are more common, and its more difficult for good habitat to be repopulated the further apart they are. A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. Theodore Roosevelt

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