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Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/04/12 08:51 PM
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vrepola
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Reading another thread got me thinking. Why is there no walk in hunting in Texas? From what I gather the money to lease the land comes from a grant from a federal fund. The amount of money recieved is based on license sales. So why has Texas not joined in this great program?
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/04/12 09:21 PM
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Because private property rights in TX are the strongest in the nation, and why would they take a small sum when they (property owners) can name their own price and get it from morons like the one typing this message
There is time, and you must take it, to lay your hand on your dog's head as you walk past him lying on the floor or on his settle, time to talk with him, to remember with him, time to please him, time you can't buy back once he's gone" GBE
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/04/12 10:36 PM
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The annual hunting permit is similar to the walk in areas. There's just not much upland to hunt.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/04/12 11:42 PM
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Texas is all about money. No need to elaborate.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/04/12 11:56 PM
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A couple of years ago Quailguy got on this forum and started a thread called something like, "No more Texas quail leases for me." Some of the ranchers and outfitters were outraged. Several wrote that the quail hunters were only paying a trespassers fee. To me that's a little arrogance.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 12:50 AM
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all the state cares about is cash money...which is cool...unless you don't have a lot of it.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 01:20 AM
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i remember that quailguy post. if a tresspass fee is what it is why is it ??????????????$50 for day lease for dove and $200 for quail
must be tresspass fee by the acreage
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 01:47 AM
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To prove the money point, I just spoke with a guy who has 10K acres in S.TX he wants and will probably get $5K a gun, 7 guns max. Now that is from Sept to the end of Feb. but that is way out of my wifes, I mean my range
There is time, and you must take it, to lay your hand on your dog's head as you walk past him lying on the floor or on his settle, time to talk with him, to remember with him, time to please him, time you can't buy back once he's gone" GBE
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 01:55 AM
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 02:30 PM
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I think it is shortsighted to provide so few (and poor) public hunting opportunities. I grew up in DFW...but we didn't have the cash to lease hunt when I was little. My dad grew up hunting in east Texas (in Rockwall before it was part of the metromess) but I think back then hunting wasn't the big money sport it is today...so anyway I didn't really get into hunting until after college when I lived in states that actually do provide decent opportunities...Heck even NY state has better public hunting than texas...actually way better. If I had stayed in Texas as a young adult I probably wouldn't hunt at all...Now that I'm older I can afford to hunt here, but if the desire hadn't been created elsewhere I'm not sure I would bother.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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To prove the money point, I just spoke with a guy who has 10K acres in S.TX he wants and will probably get $5K a gun, 7 guns max. Now that is from Sept to the end of Feb. but that is way out of my wifes, I mean my range I'm not real good at math, but that sounds like $3.50 per acre to me. They're getting over $10.00 in most of the prime quail areas in sout Texas. The East ranch was $7.00 for birds only the last time I hunted there.
Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 05:22 PM
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What is a tresspass fee? I have not heard of that before.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/05/12 06:24 PM
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What is a tresspass fee? I have not heard of that before. Day lease fee.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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yeah it stinks to high heaven. I hunt primarily public land, and it gets tough ...alot. there is a lot of scouting involved when you can do it, but it sure worth the effort when it pays off. I can remeber as a kid hunting dove and quail in east texas, now all that property has been bought by developers, makes it tough on the working man trying to feed his family and enjoy a sport and livelyhood taught by a loving grandfather. Best of luck to you.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/06/12 04:06 PM
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Best state by far for public hunting is CA you would never guess it but it is. I have taken a nice Black bear, 3 mullies and hundreds of dove quail and ducks out there.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/07/12 07:33 PM
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Thanks for all the input guys. Pretty much confirmed what I thought.
Its sad really. I grew up in Kansas and Eastern Colorado. In my mind one of the better upland hunting areas in the US. The amount of public land in those two states offers everyday people great hunting with just a license purchase is great. I was looking at quail leases here in Texas for next year and when I compared what I have been doing the past several years of traveling to Kansas to hunt with a hunting club I belong to or lease in Texas the cost is about a toss up. Plus in Kansas I have access to thousands of acres of private and over a million acres of public. In Texas I would be stuck to a few thousand acres in one area. Almost makes no sense to hunt in Texas.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/08/12 12:38 AM
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There is some public land, but the texas parks and wildlife does such a poor job of managing it. A perfect example is granger. I know for a fact there is quail it pflugerville and other parts of travis county. I have seen them, even this year. All the excuses of no money are bs. There is no extreme cost to controlled burns, and disking. Those to simple things would bring birds out there, and its almost six thousand acres. I mean Im sure plenty of people would donate the cost of the diesel if the funds for improving the land have some how disappeared.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/08/12 01:05 AM
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There in a bunch fo woodcock in Sam Houston wma.
Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/09/12 03:11 PM
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It does seem to be the way of the future. The more land prices increase, the more agricultural demands on land, the larger the population, the less opportunities there will be to hunt UNLESS you can pay big dough.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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Yall are fighting a lost cause....wild quail have seen there last days in east central and north east texas...just like the turkeys they are slowly thinning out...putting money into managing one section of land would be a waste of time...rappid public growth and what large ranches that are left being split up and sold into sections is reducing habbitat greatly. You have to have a VERY large stretch of natural quail habbitat to be able to turnover birds from a new hatch and keep the population growing. One 4,000-10,000 acre ranch under management still wont ever be able to hold healthy numbers to hunt without pilling pen raised birds into it...south texas still has a good number of large open ranches and simply is why they still have healthy numbers of quail. If your around this area or dallas or whatever your better off saving that insane amount of money your paying for a freaking quail lease and all that gas money.....and start duck hunting hahahaha
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/15/12 03:21 PM
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It's not just here though. Texas set the standard but other states are seeing the trend and are getting in on this cash cow.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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02/23/12 04:13 AM
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Yall are fighting a lost cause....wild quail have seen there last days in east central and north east texas...just like the turkeys they are slowly thinning out...putting money into managing one section of land would be a waste of time...rappid public growth and what large ranches that are left being split up and sold into sections is reducing habbitat greatly. You have to have a VERY large stretch of natural quail habbitat to be able to turnover birds from a new hatch and keep the population growing. One 4,000-10,000 acre ranch under management still wont ever be able to hold healthy numbers to hunt without pilling pen raised birds into it...south texas still has a good number of large open ranches and simply is why they still have healthy numbers of quail. If your around this area or dallas or whatever your better off saving that insane amount of money your paying for a freaking quail lease and all that gas money.....and start duck hunting hahahaha I'll pass on the duck hunting!
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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I got permission from my neighbor to release flight conditioned birds on his place. I love to quail hunt so I save up money to buy flight conditioned birds for my birthday. My brothers and I go out and release them on my place and my neighbors place a couple days before we hunt them. (I usually take a few days off work for my birthday.) When my buddies show up on the weekend its a good time for all. We try to get them all since pen reared birds just don't have the instincts to survive that wild birds do. We have no wild bird population.
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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I got permission from my neighbor to release flight conditioned birds on his place. I love to quail hunt so I save up money to buy flight conditioned birds for my birthday. My brothers and I go out and release them on my place and my neighbors place a couple days before we hunt them. (I usually take a few days off work for my birthday.) When my buddies show up on the weekend its a good time for all. We try to get them all since pen reared birds just don't have the instincts to survive that wild birds do. We have no wild bird population. You'll get more back if you release them around 30 minutes before the hunt.
Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill
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Re: Why is there no walk in land in Texas?
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It's tough finding someone who has birds to sell this season.
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