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Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? #2897161 01/04/12 01:10 PM
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I built a 300 blackout and have been tearing up the hogs with it lately. For those of you who don't know about the cartridge it is a 223 case necked up to take a 308 bullet. Here are some results using 125gr nosler ballistic tips.






Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: FIREDAVIS] #2897450 01/04/12 02:57 PM
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Nope....

Over the years, I have used various calibers on pigs.
SKS, Rem 700 in 223, Winchester 100 in 308, 12 Ga w/00 buck, etc.

The last half of last year, I carried an AR in .223.
Did good on yotes, only OK on pigs...

Have a 300 Blackout upper completed except for the gas tube that should be here anyday now.....
Bought some 300 preformed brass, loading dies, box of 110 gr V-Max and box of 130 gr TTSX.
Loaded up 50 V-Max and 20 TTSX for testing(min charges in LC09 brass).

Hoping to hit the range for break in and sight in this week, then hit the piggies immediately after.



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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: Vern1] #2897467 01/04/12 03:01 PM
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Stick with the barnes on hogs in my opinion. I hit one medium hog behind the shoulder with 110gr Vmax and it dropped him but he jumped up and hauled butt to never be seen again without a drop of blood. I havent used a barnes in this caliber yet but every other caliber it has done the best on hogs. I will be loading up some barnes soon enough.


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: FIREDAVIS] #2897481 01/04/12 03:05 PM
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All of my pigs have been DRT with a .223. All shots were 100yds or less. Shot placement is key with any round.


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: Spent Brass] #2897546 01/04/12 03:22 PM
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I was just stirring the pot with this post. I have killed dozens of hogs with a 223 but I wanted to build a new caliber to go with my new suppressor.


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: FIREDAVIS] #2897665 01/04/12 03:47 PM
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Yes the debate is over, the answer is :

0 - 200 yards --- 6.8 SPC

150 - 600 yards --- 6.5 Grendel

All above stay within the AR15 platform and require a new upper and specific bolt and magazines.

Light / Accurate / and more forgiving for shot placement if you aren't Mr. Precision like all those .223 hunters...........

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Gas tube is in!
Just got back from first shoot and clean session at the range with the 300 Blackout.
Shoot one, clean, shoot one, clean, wash, rinse, repeat.
Never broke in a barrel like this so I'll see how it goes.

Got some pretty impressive groups for my old arse.
First three out of new barrel grouped 1.5 with the first shot punching thru the plastic barrel cap and sending it down range about 45 yards....
The last 5 shots grouped less than 1 inch.
All shots were with 110 Gr V-Max handloaded bullets.



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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: Vern1] #2899405 01/05/12 12:42 AM
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Nice Vern !

Hope that gun works out for you, bet you never thought cleaning after each shot would be so much fun laugh

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I wouldn't use either on a vicious hog. .458 Win Mag or nothing.


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: HuntTXhogs] #2899637 01/05/12 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted By: Bennybone
Yes the debate is over, the answer is :

0 - 200 yards --- 6.8 SPC

150 - 600 yards --- 6.5 Grendel

All above stay within the AR15 platform and require a new upper and specific bolt and magazines.

Light / Accurate / and more forgiving for shot placement if you aren't Mr. Precision like all those .223 hunters...........

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Yeah, but, .223 is more forgiving if you aren't rich like those 6.5 and 6.8 hunters...

To the gallery: I've shot a .300 blackout and liked it, but is it that much different than the 7.62x39?




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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: GriffGruff78] #2900442 01/05/12 04:37 AM
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i am using a 243 wssm in ar15 on pigs and it puts them down quick.



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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: varmentwacker] #2900641 01/05/12 07:22 AM
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The debate will be over just as soon as Miss America ends world hunger.

I use a .308 M70, can't see the sights on the .30-30 so well any more.



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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: L. C. Clower] #2900655 01/05/12 08:01 AM
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308 will leave them DRT


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: HuntTXhogs] #2900849 01/05/12 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bennybone
Nice Vern !

Hope that gun works out for you, bet you never thought cleaning after each shot would be so much fun laugh

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The fun part is how far you have to go to keep the Hoppes outta the action....but it did give the barrel time to cool between shots...LOL!
Took it out late yesterday but only saw a group of 7 Tom turkeys hanging out at the feeder.
Full moon coming around and I'll be out there but I gotta take it to the range with the TTSX for a few shots first!


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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: varmentwacker] #2901080 01/05/12 02:59 PM
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Shot 3 piggies this year with a .243 hornady 100 gr, none of them moved. Ear holed all 3 of them. Shot placement is the key.


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: mwill1313] #2901182 01/05/12 03:25 PM
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Shot placement, trajectory, and penetration are the key (you gotta have all of them regardless of caliber). A buddy of mine razzed me about losing a hog shot with 5.56. So far, when I have chosen my shots, I haven't lost any pigs to the caliber, but two when I have rushed shots (once as hogs walked in on me at the feeder). So he razzed me about "bringing enough gun." He stopped razzing me after missing two hogs, one with a 12 ga slug and another with .45-70 after I started asking him what enough gun is need to drop hogs with a miss and how much is enough gun for a feeder when you shoot the feeder's leg instead of the hog. smirk

I think you do need to be more picky with your shots when using lesser calibers and that there is less room for error, but that certainly does not rule them out for hunting hogs.



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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: Double Naught Spy] #2901571 01/05/12 05:10 PM
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...I say this thread goes 4 pages.

I am going to go get my dead horse kicking boots on......


Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: HuntTXhogs] #2901640 01/05/12 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Bennybone
...I say this thread goes 4 pages.

I am going to go get my dead horse kicking boots on......


Just stirring the pot. I figured the 300 blackout could be the happy medium.


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The reason I like the 308 is because when you are trying to hit multiple pigs on the run you don't always have the luxury of time to make perfect shot placement I want something that will put them in the dirt even if I don't make the perfect shot especially at long rang and dark



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I use both, and little man will start using the .223 this next month. shot placement is key



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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: TreeBass] #2904178 01/06/12 07:00 AM
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I have a .444 marlin with a 265 gr round that takes them out like a bowling pins.


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The main reason for switching to the 300BLK is the 5.56 barrel I had in my AR was a 2 to 4 MOA which makes precise shot placement a problem. And yes, Virginia I did try LOTS of different loads/bullets.
So, needed a different barrel and the 300BLK is appealing to me for various reasons.

I have a Rem 722 chambered for .223 wylde which has no problem holding .5 MOA if you do your job. Shooting piggies with this loaded with 69gr OTMBTs was almost too easy but follow up shots were virtually non-existent(I;m old and slow) which lead me to the AR platform!

I have done in quite a few with my trusty SKS also...but scoping an SKS successfully is pretty hit and miss also! <pun not intended!


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Re: Is the debate between 223 or 308 for hogs over? [Re: Vern1] #2904895 01/06/12 04:26 PM
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I am a firm believer in shot placement. I have heard people say shoot 'em between the eyes or behind the ear, but personally the between the eyes crap didn't work for me. I shot one the other night with my Remington 700 .243 VTR at 100 yards. We were varmint hunting, so I was using Winchester 55 gr. ballistic tips. I smacked him right between the eyes and he lowered his head onto the ground running in circles squealing and then took off. Never found him.


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