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cartridges that failed from the get-go
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help me name some cartridges that failed from the start.
i've got:
6mm remington .260 remington all the ultra-mags and SAUM's .280 remington 7mmwsm
what are some others that were given alot of hype at the start, then fizzled out and died
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01/02/08 05:48 PM
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I've seen alot of 6MM and 280's down thru the years. I had a 257 STW built when it was supposed to be the next big thing. It never made it past the wildcat stage. Never loaded commercially and never offered as a factory chambering. 22 Hi-power would rank right up at the type of the dead and gones though.
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01/02/08 05:54 PM
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Oddly enough, two of those calibers are right at the top of the classified list now.
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Re: cartridges that failed from the get-go
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01/02/08 06:04 PM
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25-20 win, 25-35 win, 300 savage, 244 hh mag, 303 savage, this could be a long thread.
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Re: cartridges that failed from the get-go
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01/02/08 06:09 PM
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The 22 high power actually was popular at one time, but that was during that period of time when black powder was giving way to smokeless and shooters and the factories were just learning what could be done with smokeless powder and modern steels and rifle actions.
The thing is, some cartridges that have failed to become widely popular, they do have a following among certain folks.
The 358 calibers, while being some excellent cartridges, are just not that popular among the run of the mill shooter/hunter. Part of this has to do with bullet selection.
The metric calibers have never sold well in the U.S.. The exception is the 7mm Rem Mag, and yes, it's popularity is waning.
I had a 7mm Rem Mag and liked it a lot.
Killed several deer, a few coyotes and feral hogs and a couple of antelope with it.
I didn't like it as much as I do my 300 Weatherby or 35 Whelen or 375 H&H.
I have stated this on here before, but the outfitter I hunt elk with in Colorado, has commented several times that he has seen more elk shot and lost with 7mm Rem Mags, than any other cartridge.
Lack of sales can kill a cartridge to the point where brass is no longer available, even though there is a following.
The 260 rem is an example of an idea that just wasn't what it should have been. JMO.
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01/02/08 06:17 PM
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I WILL TAKE ALL 280'S OFF ANYONES HANDS IF THEY THINK THERE DEAD
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01/02/08 06:28 PM
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300 wbys, 35 whelin, 375 hh.....crazyhorse, i do believe i like your taste in firearms.
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01/02/08 06:36 PM
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No way was the .280 Remington/7mm Rem Express dead from the get go! It still has a fan following.
If you look at the "Help me add to this list of cartridges" thread, I'd say MOST of those were dead, if not from the get-go, at least within 5 years. The WSM line seems to be the exception. Perhaps the .416 Remington will also make it.
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01/02/08 10:31 PM
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25-20 win, 25-35 win, 300 savage, 244 hh mag, 303 savage, this could be a long thread.
good lord man, i meant dead calibers, not mummified ones!
actually, the .300 savage was quite popular at one time, especially in the model 99 lever action.
i forgot one other caliber.....the .284 winchester
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01/02/08 11:15 PM
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.17 mach2 25wssm 243wssm 7mmwsm 264 win mag? 325wsm rem. saum's 7mm ultra mag I would not mind having a couple of these though
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01/02/08 11:23 PM
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25-20 win, 25-35 win, 300 savage, 244 hh mag, 303 savage, this could be a long thread.
I don't think any of those qualify as dead from the get-go -- in fact some are still alive! Sure, they've been obsolete for a long time, but they were popular for quite a while after introduction.
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.264 did't fail, it, like the .220 swift, got alot of bad press about burning up barrels. its a great open range cartridge.
all the rest you mentioned however, failed like robert downey jr.'s drug test
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I would buy a 264 if the bullets were easier to find, dont know crap about them other than it was here and gone
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01/02/08 11:35 PM
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I would buy a 264 if the bullets were easier to find,
By this, do you mean loaded ammunition or bullets for reloading/handloading???????
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01/02/08 11:50 PM
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I'd love to have a .264 win mag. been lookin for one for years, but never could find one when I had money in my pocket. Quote:
help me name some cartridges that failed from the start.
22-250.........that cartridge never should have even been born.........it never had a chance.
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01/03/08 12:18 AM
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help me understand why the .22-250 dosen't deserve to be born.....i think its remingtons second most succesful cartridge.
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01/03/08 12:26 AM
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I would buy a 264 if the bullets were easier to find,
By this, do you mean loaded ammunition or bullets for reloading/handloading???????
Loaded in the box at the store. I have no desire to handload
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01/03/08 12:43 AM
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I have a custom Mauser 98 in .264 that my wife gave me for Christmas last year. I only shot it to check out the group with the old 4 power Redfield on it. It shot about a 2 inch group. I just got a new 3-9 put on it and can't wait to check it out. I managed to find a friend who had 5 new boxes of shells that were from the 70's probably. I gave him $10 a box for them. The Winchester boxes were the yellow ones. It also came with 2 boxes of reloads that had October 1968 written on them. I probably won't shoot them. If I shot more, I would get some dies and reload. I also have a .220 Swift. My best shot with it was a turkey in the neck at 120 yards.
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01/03/08 01:04 AM
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How about the .225 Winchester, .307, 8mm Remington?
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01/03/08 01:25 AM
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The only way you will be able to shoot the 264 on a regular basis is to handload/reload, and don't be so quick to look down on handloading/reloading in almost 40 years of hunting, I can only account for about 2 dozen animals that I have killed with factory loads.
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01/03/08 01:58 AM
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22-250.........that cartridge never should have even been born.........it never had a chance. Quote:
You must be mad because santa didn't bring you a 22-250 for x-mas I know it was on your list.
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01/03/08 02:24 AM
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Man, I hope the 260 rem isn't dead. I have a new encore barrel on order. I guess it's a good thing that I hand load all my rounds. I don't understand why this round didn't make it big. If you go to the remington site and look at the balistics of the comparable rounds, it hangs with or surpasses the best of the popular ones.
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22-250 is a great round i think. i'm currently trying to get rid of one now, just really wanting to get a varmint edition that savage offers that i have fell in love with.
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