Bullet grouping!?!?!?

I just went to the range and shot three types off ammo in 130 and 150 grain but they all shoot pretty good? I would like your opinion?

This one is 130 grain winchester super X in the gray box.

This one is 130 grain winchester ballistic tip supreme in the black box.

This one is 150 Federal Premium vital shok.

So what do yall think?

Medically Retired Staff Sergeant/USAF/'06-'12/Deployment- FOB Mahmudiyah, Iraq Oct'08-Jan'10
Dallas PD Sep'13-Present

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: TX4Ever] #285371 12/28/07 10:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,618 Plano, Tx P pyledriver Veteran Tracker
pyledriver Veteran Tracker P Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,618 Plano, Tx	I didn't vote because ANY of that ammo is PLENTY good enough! Looks like most of those hover around an inch-whichever one you like best I'd say go for it! Now, if you want to talk about bullet performance, that's a whole new world! You have the cheap cup/core, the better, though much maligned ballistic tip, and then the FP vital shock. I tend to shy from the ballistic tips after some problems, but they're still a great bullet. If it was ME, I'd pick the tougher bullet of the 3 if pigs were involved and possibly short ranges. Many variables... "Providence protects children and idiots. I know because I have tested it" -Mark Twain

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: pyledriver] #285372 12/28/07 11:44 PM
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sig226fan (Rguns.com) duck & cover Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 32,602 Hickory Creek, Fannin Co. Texa...	Is that the orange or blue box Federal? There's a part number like FEC270A or FEP308C on the end of the box. The federal looks to be smaller, the middle one is stringier, quite a bit more than the inch discussed.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: TX4Ever] #285373 12/28/07 11:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,735 Latexo, tx H helomech THF Celebrity
helomech THF Celebrity H Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,735 Latexo, tx	I absolutely hate the winchester ballistic silvertips. I have had quite a few deer run after great shot placements with little to no blood. I have 4 boxes in my cabinet that I refuse to hunt with. The shoot extremely well, but I don't trust their terminal performance.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: helomech] #285374 12/29/07 12:07 AM
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jdickey Extreme Tracker J Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,966 Waco, Texas	I'm a HORNADY person myself! Bigfoot Research Specialist http://www.texlaresearch.com/

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: jdickey] #285375 12/29/07 02:27 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,618 Plano, Tx P pyledriver Veteran Tracker
pyledriver Veteran Tracker P Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,618 Plano, Tx	Any of that ammo is still minute of deer! If you're shooting an unmodified rifle, and don't reload, any of those groups will work. Yes, one is bigger than an inch, but it's still within the general term of 'hovering around an inch'. What I'm getting at is that as long as you're not going to do any extra work to tweak/tune your rifle, that's not bad considering it's all factory stuff! My experience with Remington Corlokt ammo has surprised me, even though some think it's no good. Out of my .243 and .7-08 it's not unusual to stay right at an inch. I have friends that shoot more and can do better with the same rifles. Both rifles have had triggers done, and the .7-08 is modified well past that point. If I reloaded I'm sure it would be tons better, but let's face it-if it'll hold 2" at a hundred, theoretically that's 4" at 200. Considering the ranges most hunting in Texas happens at, I say don't sweat the small stuff! "Providence protects children and idiots. I know because I have tested it" -Mark Twain

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: pyledriver] #285376 12/29/07 04:06 PM
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7mag THF Celebrity 7 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 22,268 West Texas	Pick which ever one you want. Looks like they all did rather well. Ballisic tips look a little tighter "Laugh with many, but don't trust any"

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: 7mag] #285377 12/29/07 04:24 PM
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Arrow_Splitter10 Tracker A Joined: May 2007 Posts: 812 Midlothian, Texas	I voted for the federals because I have shot all those and there is no comparison that the Federals are WAY BETTER than the winchesters. But I highly recommed trying the hornadys Good luck Doonan Cattle Company, Midlothian, TX specializing in club calves and commercial replacement heifers (979) 820-4388-Kevin

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: Arrow_Splitter10] #285378 12/29/07 05:07 PM
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gary75758 Tracker G Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 990 Chandler/Kosse	PD is right on if you are not going to reload or tweak your rifle any of the above will work. I tweak my guns and reload, trigger pulls arould 1.5 pounds, shoot 243, 7 mag and 300 win mag, all will drive tacks at 100 yds, can cover 3 shots with a quarter. Last edited by gary75758; 12/29/07 05:09 PM.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: gary75758] #285379 12/29/07 09:58 PM
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Double_Drop_Tines Pro Tracker D Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,242 Corinth, Texas, United States ...	I buy the regular Winchester grey box for my .243 wssm, fairly cheap and group very well. For some reason it won't group the slivertips. Here's 3 pics, the first two shots were touching but low, I moved the adjustments and shot one, in the black. Still I wanted it a little high at 100yrds. Moved it again and shot two, second pict. Then shot two more times and wow. I love my gun. Last edited by Double_Drop_Tines; 10/20/08 12:37 AM. Hunting is more to me than Antlers on the wall. It's more about the memories you make, and sharing those memories with friends, and family.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: Double_Drop_Tines] #285380 12/29/07 10:33 PM
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Parker Extreme Tracker P Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,603 Fort Worth, Tx.	I've had good luck with my Ballistic Silver Tips. I shoot a 7mm and use the 140gr. They were recommended when I got the rifle and, honestly, I've never looked at anything else.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: Parker] #285381 12/30/07 12:03 AM
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Double_Drop_Tines Pro Tracker D Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,242 Corinth, Texas, United States ...	Welcome to the THF Parker. Barely got in before the new year. Hunting is more to me than Antlers on the wall. It's more about the memories you make, and sharing those memories with friends, and family.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: TX4Ever] #285382 12/30/07 07:39 PM
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Crazyhorse THF Celebrity Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 16,474 Azle, Texas	I did not vote, but do have a question. Did it take you 3 shots to drop that buck your holding in the picture?? Having a rifle that prints small groups is fine, having a rifle that every time you bring it to your shoulder and it will put your first shot just exactly where you want it, is better. Too many folks worry about where that second or third shot/arrow is going to go and if they would concentrate on making the first one do its job there ain't gonna be any need for that back up.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: Crazyhorse] #285383 12/30/07 09:19 PM
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OP TX4Ever Tracker T Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 793 Forney, Texas	Great point!!! Thank all of yall!!! Medically Retired Staff Sergeant/USAF/'06-'12/Deployment- FOB Mahmudiyah, Iraq Oct'08-Jan'10 Dallas PD Sep'13-Present

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: helomech] #285384 12/30/07 09:46 PM
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MarkE Pro Tracker M Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,611 West Texas	Quote: I absolutely hate the winchester ballistic silvertips. Me too! The 130 super-x work just fine.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: MarkE] #285385 12/30/07 11:42 PM
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armedferret Bird Dog A Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 250 Fort Meade, MD	get ahold of some TSX loads. federal has a few offerings. should impress the hell out of you.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: TX4Ever] #285386 12/31/07 12:11 AM
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Brother in-law THF Celebrity B Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 35,157	Buy what shoots good and is easily available.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: Brother in-law] #285387 12/31/07 12:30 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,735 Latexo, tx H helomech THF Celebrity
helomech THF Celebrity H Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,735 Latexo, tx	Quote: Buy what shoots good and is easily available. Sorry, but I have to disagree. I would rather have a bullet that shoots 1.5 inch at a 100 yards and performs well on deer, than have one that shoots 1/2 group at a hundred yards but doesn't consistently knock deer down. That is why I have been shooting the old silvertips for so many years. They don't group the best, but they almost always drop the deer where it was standing. On the other hand I tried the ballistic silvertips, and could keep them in a 1/2 group, but I had to track all the deer. Just my 2 cents.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: helomech] #285388 12/31/07 01:55 AM
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OP TX4Ever Tracker T Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 793 Forney, Texas	Quote: Sorry, but I have to disagree. I would rather have a bullet that shoots 1.5 inch at a 100 yards and performs well on deer, than have one that shoots 1/2 group at a hundred yards but doesn't consistently knock deer down. That is why I have been shooting the old silvertips for so many years. They don't group the best, but they almost always drop the deer where it was standing. On the other hand I tried the ballistic silvertips, and could keep them in a 1/2 group, but I had to track all the deer. Just my 2 cents. Quote: Too many folks worry about where that second or third shot/arrow is going to go and if they would concentrate on making the first one do its job there ain't gonna be any need for that back up. Thank yall so much!!! I agree with both of you and i have made my decision!!! I have noticed that the super x has wonderful knockdown power because, i have killed three deer this year with this ammo out of my friends 7mm-08 and they didn't take a step! Also like yall said, It only takes one shot!!! Medically Retired Staff Sergeant/USAF/'06-'12/Deployment- FOB Mahmudiyah, Iraq Oct'08-Jan'10 Dallas PD Sep'13-Present

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: TX4Ever] #285389 12/31/07 05:24 PM
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PrimitiveHunter THF Celebrity P Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 10,309 Eagle Mtn Lake	I voted for the Federal 150 grain just because that's what I've been shooting for a few years now. Staistics are like political polls; you can make them say whatever you want so I just shoot what I like and hope everyone else does the same. Practice doesn’t make perfect. Practice makes permanent.

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: helomech] #285390 01/02/08 07:55 PM
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txbrian Bird Dog T Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 436	Quote: I absolutely hate the winchester ballistic silvertips. I have had quite a few deer run after great shot placements with little to no blood. I have 4 boxes in my cabinet that I refuse to hunt with. The shoot extremely well, but I don't trust their terminal performance. Funny. I hate Federal Premium vital shok, I think their terminal performance is crap. The Winchester SilverTip's however I just love, always have a great exit wound, droped my 190 pound deer on the spot, dropped my 225 pound hog on the spot, great grouping. I just dont understand how you did not get a blood trail with a silvertip...

Re: Bullet grouping!?!?!? [Re: txbrian] #285391 01/02/08 08:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,735 Latexo, tx H helomech THF Celebrity
helomech THF Celebrity H Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,735 Latexo, tx	Quote: Quote: I absolutely hate the winchester ballistic silvertips. I have had quite a few deer run after great shot placements with little to no blood. I have 4 boxes in my cabinet that I refuse to hunt with. The shoot extremely well, but I don't trust their terminal performance. Funny. I hate Federal Premium vital shok, I think their terminal performance is crap. The Winchester SilverTip's however I just love, always have a great exit wound, droped my 190 pound deer on the spot, dropped my 225 pound hog on the spot, great grouping. I just dont understand how you did not get a blood trail with a silvertip... I don't understand how you get a good blood trail with the ballistic silvertips. I shot 5 deer with them, and 3 were a b*tch to find. One I only found because I could hear it thrashing around in the leaves.Now the old silvertips are great.

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