How many people has Moose tried to meet at the Acadamy Parking lot?

His original statement was simply no where near threatening, or challenging of Moose the Mallard killer.

This this right here is why people think you are a little much.

That's the thing, I don't care.

As far as I know the 10 or so friends I've made on here don't think I'm too much.

Mark called me an azz and questioned my skills, I responded.

Sorry to offend you HillbillyProud.

What does being able to afford land have to do with anything? We are talking about what is occurring to the north.

And guess what, there is a difference. I don't pay taxes in Arkansas.

I sensed a great disturbance in the Force and after looking around, found a barrel full of stupid in the form of this thread. There's been a lot of conjecture about shortstopping, most of it based on a total absence of knowledge regarding waterfowl biology. One need only peel back a couple of layers of the onion, however, to find that this insistence on the existence of widespread shortstopping on a scale sufficient to literally alter flyways has, at its source, the following sentiment:



Now, if you'll pardon the preterition, we'll gloss over the part where the same guy whose apparent philosophy is that all conservation dollars raised in DFW should be spent in DFW also just said that he wants DU to do nothing but work on breeding habitat. Let's skip straight to the masturbatory selfishness of that sentiment. Fortunately, it is not one shared by the majority of the DU rank and file, nor the major donors. Most DU contributors understand that the money is best spent on areas critical to longterm population levels.

Hint: That's not the Dallas area.

It's also a curious (and amusing) aspect of the shortstopping argument to insist that the US Fish & Wildlife Service, even with its Byzantine bureaucratic proceedings and the glacial pacing of regulatory changes, would allow major manipulation of entire flyways to occur without a peep.

What completely bursts the bubble of the shortstopping theory, however, are the numbers. Did any of you shortstop true believers bother to check historic harvest numbers before subscribing to your pet theory? Doubtful. Like the most ardent liberals, you have a bit of dogma to which you cling and no volume of factual evidence refuting your belief system will ever change your mind.

You realize you can by land up north too? From where I sit, being able to afford land and the area you chose to live in makes all the difference. If you lived in Missouri, and could afford to own a couple hundred acres, then leave half your corn standing and put 3 foot of water in it, I doubt most of y'all would be complaining.

You can buy land here, do what the people up north do and hold ducks consistently. If you are stuck hunting public over what little food source we have here that it is getting hammered everyday then yeah..you're hunting probably stinks this year.

Most people see a habitat flats video and think that is what is keeping the ducks from coming down here. It's not. It's the lack of food and the crazy amounts of pressure in this area that keeps the ducks from coming down and staying. For every 1500 ducks that sit in a manipulated corn field up north, there are 5K that are getting skybusted and flying all over the place looking for some food when we don't have any.

If you're on private stuff this year thats allowed to be rested and has a food source, you're killing ducks, just like years past.

Ridiculous! Asinine! Unpossible! Everyone knows it's that damn DU and their nefarious shortstopping plan!

Not directed to any one person and this could be a good discussion on DU, but

keep the discussion from getting personal. Differences of opinions are welcome, but state your case intelligently and back it up with facts. Do not try to solve personal problems live on the forum. Be careful with the personal attacks or calling people out. Otherwise the thread will just get pulled.

I'd just like to say I'm probably not as good of a duck hunter as moose and roadgoeson but I bet I have just as much fun or more. However if either of you would like to challenge me at RBI baseball...the original on the original Nintindo you will be killed. I'm a master at that game...just sucks I peaked at finding the thing I'm better than other people at in seventh grade.

Why does it have to be all or nothing with you guys? And why do you insist on changing the subject? And who said I was complaining about my huntimg success this year?

You assume quite a lot. Just because there are still ducks making it down here does not mean the possibility that the natural migration is being artificially altered is out of the question.

He said your idea was asinine. He no where near called you an ___.

I don't get offended online. Hints the not asking people if they want to handle it in person.

Then please provide data to support this claim.

The entire shortstopping theory is one giant assumption based on nothing more than anecdotal evidence that is in NO way borne out by harvest numbers in the southern tier of states of any flyway.

Didn't Al Gore make a movie on shortstopping?

LOL

I'm not offended at all, just responded to the commentary directed at me.

I would love to see some banding reports vs weather conditions over the past few years and that is exactly what som on here have suggested.

I don't think I need to show you data though for you to realize that for it to be proven to occur, even if only at the most minute level, all that has to be proven is that there are ducks feeding in open waters where the air temperature would otherwise freeze said water.

That has been the question all along. How much is it affecting the migration?

It's not, or Texas would be killing fewer ducks in wet years and we're not. Any variability in our harvest can be directly correlated to poor hatch years. It's called science. It's pretty cool. It can prove stuff.

And do you honestly think the miniscule amounts of acreage that is being left open for these ducks to feed in can effect the migration routes of millions of ducks? It's doubtful. The problem with the short stopping theory is people, not necessarily you, see a video of some guy flooding corn then sitting an ice eater in it all season and think that is affecting the migration pattern of millions of birds. When in actuality the amount of water that would have to be left open for this to happen would be so large only the U.S treasury could afford the diesel bill. So yes, while a few ducks may stop in Missouri or Nebraska, or Kansas because of ice eaters and flooded corn, to think that actually effects our hunting is ludicrous.

When Threecurl starts posting I feel like I'm in special ed. He's like the Good Will Hunting of the duck blind. My boy is wicked smart.

It is short sighted to thing that duck numbers are affected by that factor alone and to suggest that a point of view that does not match your own is some how liberal is a tad ridiculous.

But Mee...isnt it true that DU makes those iceeaters with child labor and is using that money to fund terrorism?

The difference is TX kills the same amount of ducks as always. Which supports my belief that there is no short-stopping.

I have yet to see any data that shows short stopping to be real. If it were shown to me, I would change my mind..

Can you provide it? I really don't see how that is too much to ask?

Don't call him lud.

I'm not saying that believing in shortstopping makes one liberal. I said it makes one like a liberal, in that it is dogmatic adherence to a belief system that is in no way supported by actual facts or history. Take Keynesianism, for instance. Liberals loves 'em some Keynes. But Keynesian macro theory is, has been and always will be a complete train wreck. It has literally failed every time it has been tried, yet liberal stubbornly adhere to Keynesianism because it suits their personal belief system that government is the only force for social justice and equality.