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Re: Game wardens [Re: ShaneR21] #1802918 11/04/10 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: ShaneR21
Probable cause though is an easy thing to show on any paper work. Trust me I know and you can ask ant LEO that.

Well i guess I am puting faith in LEO Integrity and hope he is not making up his probable cause. But as stated before the game warden has lots of useful information and is always welcome on my property.


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Re: Game wardens [Re: FowledUp] #1802952 11/04/10 02:39 AM
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I'm not saying they make things up it is just easy to come up with probable cause. They and any LEO are more then welcome to check anything of mine also.



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Re: Game wardens [Re: mws] #1802954 11/04/10 02:40 AM
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The one I was always curious about was coming on private property. If you have a locked gate, can they jump over if they know you are hunting or do they need to wait at the gate unless they have reason to expect a law has been broken?


They need a reason. I have seen a GW ran off a ranch one time it was rofl. The GW told the land owner what are you doing the land owner said you are on my land who the H### do you think you are. He said I am the local GW. To make a long story short the GW was escorted off the property and told do not come back.


yea, not sure i believe that either...GW's can come on your property with only probable cause. they can also search your residence, vehicle, etc without a warrant.

I will occasionally hunt with one of the GW's in East Texas, some of his stories are pretty crazy.



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Re: Game wardens [Re: maturner05] #1803028 11/04/10 02:57 AM
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The one I was always curious about was coming on private property. If you have a locked gate, can they jump over if they know you are hunting or do they need to wait at the gate unless they have reason to expect a law has been broken?


They need a reason. I have seen a GW ran off a ranch one time it was rofl. The GW told the land owner what are you doing the land owner said you are on my land who the H### do you think you are. He said I am the local GW. To make a long story short the GW was escorted off the property and told do not come back.


yea, not sure i believe that either...GW's can come on your property with only probable cause. they can also search your residence, vehicle, etc without a warrant.

I will occasionally hunt with one of the GW's in East Texas, some of his stories are pretty crazy.


(Probable cause) he had none he just drove in the open gate he was around 1/2 mile in on the ranch. They can search if they have probable cause. Most GW are not azzh#### but when they come on to your ranch with no probable cause they have to get off. Ask.

The GW around my place has the code to my gate. He checks on it when I am not around. He is a good friend.

I am not trying to make fun of them. I am just telling you. You do not have to bend over for any law. If they are doing something wrong you have the right to tell them. If you have done nothing wrong what can they do to you? I was in law enforcement at one time you see good ones and bad ones. I got out because the pay sucks for what you deal with.


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We have developed many myths about Game Wardens powers so much that some Game Wardens believe them.

SUBCHAPTER B. ENFORCEMENT POWERS
http://law.justia.com/texas/codes/2005/pw/002.00.000012.00.html

(c) Except as provided by Subsection (d), a game warden or
other peace officer commissioned by the department may inspect any
wildlife resource that has been taken by a person and is in plain
view of the game warden or other peace officer.
(d) Nothing in this section authorizes a game warden or
other peace officer commissioned by the department to conduct a
search otherwise authorized by this section:
(1) in a person's residence or temporary residence; or
(2) on a publicly maintained road or way that is:
(A) improved, designed, or ordinarily used for
vehicular traffic;
(B) open to the public; and
(C) distinguishable from a shoulder, berm, or
other area not intended for vehicular traffic.

click and read


Re: Game wardens [Re: maturner05] #1803639 11/04/10 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: maturner05
Originally Posted By: mws
Originally Posted By: TexasEd
The one I was always curious about was coming on private property. If you have a locked gate, can they jump over if they know you are hunting or do they need to wait at the gate unless they have reason to expect a law has been broken?


They need a reason. I have seen a GW ran off a ranch one time it was rofl. The GW told the land owner what are you doing the land owner said you are on my land who the H### do you think you are. He said I am the local GW. To make a long story short the GW was escorted off the property and told do not come back.


yea, not sure i believe that either...GW's can come on your property with only probable cause. they can also search your residence, vehicle, etc without a warrant.

I will occasionally hunt with one of the GW's in East Texas, some of his stories are pretty crazy.


Guys the ole GW's can search your house, without a search warrant does not hold water.
The Constitution does not give that power to anyone. Not sayin they won't, not saying they won't get away with it 9 times out of 10. But it is still against the Constitution.

All that being said I do not think I have ever had an unpleasant dealing with a GW. You obey the rules you have nothing to worry about.

As for the original question I would ask a lawyer how to handle the situation if you do not like him on your private property.

The deer lease I am on, The same guys have been on it 17 years. Seen him one time, he came in checked em out then left.

Game Wardens leave notes for their replacements, they think someone is trouble. The new Law will know too.




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Re: Game wardens [Re: Guy] #1803640 11/04/10 12:41 PM
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I see GW coming, I unload my gun and have license out before he gets there.

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Re: Game wardens [Re: ccvidimos] #1803663 11/04/10 12:47 PM
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[quote=Guy]I see GW coming, I unload my gun and have license out before he gets there.

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Me too and thank him


Re: Game wardens [Re: mws] #1804221 11/04/10 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted By: mws
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Originally Posted By: mws
Originally Posted By: TexasEd
The one I was always curious about was coming on private property. If you have a locked gate, can they jump over if they know you are hunting or do they need to wait at the gate unless they have reason to expect a law has been broken?


They need a reason. I have seen a GW ran off a ranch one time it was rofl. The GW told the land owner what are you doing the land owner said you are on my land who the H### do you think you are. He said I am the local GW. To make a long story short the GW was escorted off the property and told do not come back.


yea, not sure i believe that either...GW's can come on your property with only probable cause. they can also search your residence, vehicle, etc without a warrant.

I will occasionally hunt with one of the GW's in East Texas, some of his stories are pretty crazy.


(Probable cause) he had none he just drove in the open gate he was around 1/2 mile in on the ranch. They can search if they have probable cause. Most GW are not azzh#### but when they come on to your ranch with no probable cause they have to get off. Ask.


Probable cause is not needed to enter property. A landowner cannot escort a GW off the property.

Sec. 12.103. ENTERING LAND; USE OF INFORMATION OBTAINED BY ENTRY; CIVIL PENALTY. (a) To enforce the game and fish laws of the state and to conduct scientific investigations and research regarding wild game or fish, an authorized employee of the department may enter on any land or water where wild game or fish are known to range or stray. No action may be sustained against an employee of the department to prevent his entering on land or water when acting in his official capacity as described by this subsection.

These are the most current laws.
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/


Re: Game wardens [Re: robbf213] #1804256 11/04/10 03:43 PM
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we used to get checked on a regular basis goose huntin and the GW would hit the deck if birds where comming. good guy... I once asked if he wanted to stick around and help us pick up the spread and he declined smile



Re: Game wardens [Re: nogeese] #1804324 11/04/10 03:54 PM
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I give him the combo to my gate so he can come in whenever he pleases.


Re: Game wardens [Re: mwaites] #1804389 11/04/10 04:11 PM
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This was in 94.


Re: Game wardens [Re: mws] #1804579 11/04/10 05:05 PM
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As usual, Robbf has it corrected for us.

On the few places that are locked, our game wardens have the combo. They are welcome anytime, anyplace. In fact, I wish they came around more often and there were more of them.


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The only one with more authority on our place than the Game Wardens is GOD! flehan


Re: Game wardens [Re: Mr. Clean] #1804601 11/04/10 05:12 PM
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Exactly!

I never understood why you wouldn't want them coming around?


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Exactly!

I never understood why you wouldn't want them coming around?

Because they may see my moon shine and want a free sample.


Re: Game wardens [Re: FowledUp] #1804621 11/04/10 05:21 PM
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They are welcome to what we are drinking and eating.

I just hope they check all of our camps every day.


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Didn't do anything wrong just after the fact some things seemed weird. He did do some hiking though and don't really know how he found us. I think he was tracking some punks that we flashed off but moved 25 yds away. I think they were unliscensed cause they high tailed it. He heard us shoot then came over. Checked us out and all was good. Just thought it weird considering he asked for guns yet never identified himself other than the uniform. Easy way for an imposter to create an unsafe scenario. He did spoil the hunt for about 15 min though. Oh well we checked out and didn't really see anymore birds.


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Re: Game wardens [Re: Duck25] #1806791 11/05/10 07:12 AM
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I see GW coming, I unload my gun and have license out before he gets there.


Much appreciated by all LEO's! Thank you sir!




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Just found out my GW in the Freer area is my cousin (on my wifes side). I spoke to him a week or so ago and invited him over for a steak dinner this Saturday night around the campfire. Not sure if he'll show, but I'll have a steal ready to cook for him. Since I'm new to that area (been hunting in Junction for the past 20 years) I had a lot of questions for him. GREAT guy.

In Junction, the GW for that area was great...his replacement, not so much. Our motto is, just stay legal, show respect and do what they ask and all is well. The one in Junction used to sit and drink coffee with us...man did he have some stories. SOME that would rival the Darwin top tens...without the death...



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Yeah some of those older Law Dogs have some good stories. Most of them are great to BS with, and are generous with information.


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Yeah some of those older Law Dogs have some good stories. Most of them are great to BS with, and are generous with information.

Most are country huntin boys like us


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I know a couple game wardens on the forum guess they are reafraining from puttin there .02 in on this one.



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I know a couple game wardens on the forum guess they are reafraining from puttin there .02 in on this one.

They already did and you didn't know it... up




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I'm sure one did, but not one I know.



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