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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 03:08 AM
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My wife's uncle had this happen to him about 5 years ago. Fortunately when he flipped the safety off he was aiming at a deer and still managed to hit and kill it. His problem was that he had gotten WD-40 gunked up in the trigger, causing it to fail. He was peeved. At himself. He took responsibility for it, got the gun professionally cleaned and hasn't had so much as a single problem since. I think if that 7 mag had done that to me I would've been cleaning gunk out of my drawers!
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
[Re: oulufinn]
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10/21/10 03:14 AM
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I am at work so someone post what it is about. CNBC is using a family who's son was killed by the mother pointing a loaded rifle in an unsafe direction to smear Remington. If you keep a Remington trigger clean and adjusted properly it is safe. This family sued Remington, instead of taking personal responsibility for multiple bad decisions that cost their innocent son his life. It's the American way... If you allow it to get gunked up and/or adjust it improperly, it will very likely go off. If it goes off and you are pointing it at someone, they will likely be killed. Pretty simple, actually. Multiple failures in common sense usually lead to bad things happening. The strategy seems to have also worked for some Toyota owners. If there had really been a problem with Toyota vehicles, you would be hearing additional reports of owners having the problem. But then, I shouldn't complain. I got a great deal on a new Tacoma because of it.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
[Re: Texas Dan]
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10/21/10 03:55 AM
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tk325
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Been shooting 700's for years, never had an issue. And will contintue to shoot them.
But for all the people that believe everything, if you have a Remington 700 BDL in 25-06 I'd be happy to buy it from you before it blows up in your face.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 04:16 AM
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Been shooting 700's for years, never had an issue. And will contintue to shoot them.
But for all the people that believe everything, if you have a Remington 700 BDL in 25-06 I'd be happy to buy it from you before it blows up in your face. X2 on the 25-06 or .257 Roberts, 7mm-08, or .338-06...
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 06:40 AM
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So I guess we can expect this story to show up every couple weeks for the next year.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 11:46 AM
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I am at work so someone post what it is about. CNBC is using a family who's son was killed by the mother pointing a loaded rifle in an unsafe direction to smear Remington. If you keep a Remington trigger clean and adjusted properly it is safe. This family sued Remington, instead of taking personal responsibility for multiple bad decisions that cost their innocent son his life. It's the American way... If you allow it to get gunked up and/or adjust it improperly, it will very likely go off. If it goes off and you are pointing it at someone, they will likely be killed. Pretty simple, actually. Multiple failures in common sense usually lead to bad things happening. She should not even have taken the gun off of safety in the first place, and why was she pointing the thing at someone in the first place?
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 11:56 AM
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She should not even have taken the gun off of safety in the first place, and why was she pointing the thing at someone in the first place? You really should not comment unless you know what you're talking about...early 700's required taking the rifle off safety to open the bolt. As to where it was pointed, she thought her son was still on his horse, but he had dismounted and moved around a trailer, still out of sight, when the rifle fired. I own and shoot several Rem 700's, and will continue to do so (including an early model with the bolt lock).
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 12:08 PM
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She should not even have taken the gun off of safety in the first place, and why was she pointing the thing at someone in the first place? You really should not comment unless you know what you're talking about...early 700's required taking the rifle off safety to open the bolt. As to where it was pointed, she thought her son was still on his horse, but he had dismounted and moved around a trailer, still out of sight, when the rifle fired. I own and shoot several Rem 700's, and will continue to do so (including an early model with the bolt lock). Well the moral of the story is that people need to watch where they are pointing their guns. It gives rifle owners and shooters a bad name when stuff like this gets on the news.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 12:25 PM
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I will be the first to tell you that I know nothing about this model, but if what was posted is true and allowing the trigger to get "Gunked up" will cause it to go off. Then the rifle is unsafe.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 12:27 PM
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a client of ours had a model 700 from the 70's.
after loading it, he forgot to put one in the chamber. i told him to go ahead and get it ready, when he flipped the saftey off to work the bolt, the pin clicked on an empty chamber.
kinda freaky. he was extra careful with that gun after that.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 12:54 PM
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I will be the first to tell you that I know nothing about this model, but if what was posted is true and allowing the trigger to get "Gunked up" will cause it to go off. Then the rifle is unsafe. I can adjust a Winchester Model 70 trigger to go off every time, if bumped. Is THAT an unsafe trigger, too? Too many bubbas screwing around with triggers and then blaming the company when their "Expert" trigger manipulation causes a negligent discharge. As far as you knowing nothing about the model 700.. You are the folks this smear campaign targets. They sold you good, it seems. Learn about the issue, instead of taking the word of NBC. They're the same crew that used explosives to blow up a chevy truck when the fuel tank wouldn't explode from a side impact.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/21/10 12:57 PM
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I have a 700, and have had this issue happen to me. Fortunately no one was injured as it happened while in my stand hunting in Junction. I have a hard case attached to my four wheeler to transport the gun to my stand. My stand is a good mile away from camp, and the lease is fairly rocky. The 700 has a locking mechanism that uses a "key" to set it. I guess the many rides back and forth to the stand on the rough trails caused that locking mechanism to work it's way towards the middle. I was in my stand and a decent buck walked out and I decided to take him. I put the gun through the window, took aim and started to release the safety...as soon as the safety released, the gun fired....scared me to death. I thought it was operator error...thought I might have accidentally pulled the trigger. I tried to chamber another round, but I had to put the safety back in the on position...I then chambered another round....the deer was still there....I aimed...released the safety...THIS TIME making darn sure my finger wasn't even close to the trigger. When the safety released, the gun fired again. I put it away immediately.
That evening at camp, I told my buddy what happened and we started looking at the gun. He asked what the little U shaped mechanism was for. I got the "key" out of my gun case and we tried to turn it, but it was frozen in place. After we lubricated it and wiggled the key back and forth it FINALLY worked and we could turn it. The gun was empty, so I went through the normal routine and released the safety and it worked... and STILL works fine today. I now check the locking mechanism EVERY time I pull the gun out of the case to make sure it hasn't moved.
Fortunately I was not injured... my only inconvenience was having to buy a new pair of underwear.
There IS an issue relative to the locking mechanism and the safety on the Rem 700...I'm not sure of the connection between the two, but I DO KNOW that if that locking mech works it's way out of position, that gun WILL fire when the safety is released.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
[Re: oulufinn]
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10/21/10 01:04 PM
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Why are there so many threads on this ??
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Did you watch last night?
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10/21/10 01:08 PM
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Did any of you watch the "Remington 700 under fire for deadly flaws" last night on CNBC? It was interesting how Remington has tried to hide the issue for so long. I own 2 700's and never had an issue but still a worry that it could happen. What are your thoughts on how Remington should go about fixing this issue? I personally think they should have a recall and replace the triggers with the new updated X-pro version that fixed the issue.
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Re: Did you watch last night?
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10/21/10 01:11 PM
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Oh wow another Remington 700 trigger thread !! Why am I not suprized ??
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Re: Did you watch last night?
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10/21/10 01:15 PM
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There are no less than 23 threads on this, I think they are all being moved to the Rifle and Handgun Section .
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 01:17 PM
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I have two of them, a 22-250 and a 7mag. Never had a problem with either one. I have the same two calibres in the 700 BDL and love them.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 01:19 PM
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Bobby, The "J-lock" you have really IS one of the worst ideas Remington ever came out with. They are no longer using it, since it flat stunk! There are aftermarket parts to replace that goofy, lawyer induced abomination. Never heard of it causing it to fire, but they have locked up preventing the rifle from firing. Has your trigger ever been adjusted? Here's a link to replacement parts to replace that funky J-lock. Short Action part.. Long Action part... Here's a picture of the difference between the good style & the J-lock style. Pretty ugly. Replacement part is on bottom, J-lock junk on top.. It takes about 2 minutes to replace the part. It would be a very good idea to have your trigger checked for safe function and adjustment.
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Re: Did you watch last night?
[Re: Jademan]
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10/21/10 01:20 PM
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This has been around for years and years, I wonder why they are airing it again?
I have had two Remingtons that have fired without me pulling the trigger. My wife took hers off safety and it went off shooting into the ground, finger not on the trigger. My Model Seven went off after I closed the bolt, again finger not on the trigger.
A buddy of mine killed a deer while the safety on his Remington was still in the "safe" position.
We shoot Browning A-Bolts now.
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Re: Did you watch last night?
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10/21/10 01:23 PM
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There are no less than 23 threads on this, I think they are all being moved to the Rifle and Handgun Section . Might be the place for it. I was mainly interested in the report they aired and what everyone's thoughts are on it and Remington.
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 01:23 PM
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You can adjust the trigger to go off every time when you close the bolt. Nothing trumphs gun saftey. It' should'nt be pointed anywhere close to anyone. It's a mechanical mechanism. Stuff happens, you can't blame a car company for a wreck!!
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Re: Did you watch last night?
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10/21/10 01:26 PM
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There are no less than 23 threads on this, I think they are all being moved to the Rifle and Handgun Section . Might be the place for it. I was mainly interested in the report they aired and what everyone's thoughts are on it and Remington. Check out the section I mentioned, you will find more info than you will want !
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Re: Did you watch last night?
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10/21/10 01:27 PM
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This has been around for years and years, I wonder why they are airing it again?
I have had two Remingtons that have fired without me pulling the trigger. My wife took hers off safety and it went off shooting into the ground, finger not on the trigger. My Model Seven went off after I closed the bolt, again finger not on the trigger.
A buddy of mine killed a deer while the safety on his Remington was still in the "safe" position.
We shoot Browning A-Bolts now. Sounds kind of more like a Browning commercial than anything !!
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Re: Remmington 700 not safe????
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10/21/10 01:28 PM
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On a side note, I once released the safety on my rifle and the gun the guy was shooting next to me went off. Wonder what caused that ?
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