1. I believe that a cull buck (one that represents a buck that we do not want to breed) should be defined as:
a) a mature (no more growth potential) 120 B&C or less class buck


2. I believe that we should encourage members to kill cull bucks prior to Uvalde area rut by:
c) Do nothing as all members should be mature enough to kill a pre rut cull if they can.

3. I believe that we should be able to harvest ________ Doe per year.
??????????? you should have a better idea than I do

4. I believe that a trophy buck should be determined by:
b) a mature 5+ year old deer with a 120 B&C score or greater.


5. Any member who harvests one mistake buck (immature trophy potential buck) should receive a penalty of:
a) a penalty fee of $200.


6. Any member who harvests two mistake bucks (immature trophy potential buck) should receive a penalty of:
c) Loss of deposit and lease termination

7. The penalty for any member who harvests any (mistake, cull or trophy) deer and does not log it in camp range book and/or bring it into camp:
a) Immediate lease termination


8. All collected penalty fees should be:
d) Put into camp improvement fund
e) Put into fund to purchase and fill protein feeders to be placed in unclaimed areas across lease for next year.
f) road maintenance

9. All harvested bucks must be documented in camp log and:
a) a photo must be labeled and posted in camp house. (Camera provided by individual members and must accompany them on every lease trip.)
b) be B&C scored and listed in log book if they represent a trophy kill (all members must learn how to score their deer with a B&C scoring kit provided / kept at camp).

c) with disposable camera located in camphouse, take a head on and side shot of buck
d) All of the above.

10. The ultimate winner of any lease trophy award will be determined by:
b) Straight B&C score completed by a single and neutral party (whitetail bucks).

11. I believe that all large areas of lease that are not claimed by any member and do not infringe on other members areas should be:

b) be available to all lease members as a secondary hunting area to construct blinds and establish feed pens on a first come / first serve basis only with the member who establishes the area having first right of refusal to hunt the area.



12. I believe that entire lease (including other members established hunting areas) should be opened up to all member access during spring Turkey season.
e) No

13. I believe that it should be all right for members to hunt doves (as long as it does not infringe on another members established hunting area) starting Sept 1st however, all shooting outside that which we take part in to harvest deer, hogs, turkey or exotics in our own established hunting areas should come to a halt beginning:
d) No Sept dove hunting should be allowed on lease.

14. I believe that it should be all right to corn all roads and hunt hogs beginning the day after Whitetail season closes all the way up until the September date we decide on for the previous question.

c) No lease road hunting should be allowed (safety aspect)


15. I believe that providing supplemental protein feeding from April 15th to Aug 15th should be:
a) mandatory for all members to take part in within their individual hunting areas.
d) An entire lease member effort where several protein feeders are strategically placed throughout lease where all members could benefit from them.

1. I believe that a cull buck (one that represents a buck that we do not want to breed) should be defined as:
a) a mature (no more growth potential) 120 B&C or less class buck
b) a mature buck with no brow tines no matter what B&C class
c) a severely crippled or disfigured buck
d) any spike buck (at least one un-forked antler)
e) All of the above
(f) If the word cull or the lettes B and/or C are mentioned followed by a number is mentioned,....expelled from the lease


2. I believe that we should encourage members to kill cull bucks prior to Uvalde area rut by:
a) charging them a $30 fee if they fail to do so.
b) $100 discount on next years lease fees for member who kills ugliest cull buck.
c) Do nothing as all members should be mature enough to kill a pre rut cull if they can.
(f) If the word cull is mentioned, expelled from the lease


3. I believe that we should be able to harvest ________ Doe per year.
a) 0
b) 1
c) 2
Refer to TPWD outdoor annual


4. I believe that a trophy buck should be determined by:
a) an inside spread measurement between main beams of 13 inches or greater.
b) a mature 5+ year old deer with a 120 B&C score or greater.
c) every harvested buck should be judged on its own merits based on group consensus
d) Having at least eight points.
(f)The person pulling the trigger

5. Any member who harvests one mistake buck (immature trophy potential buck) should receive a penalty of:
a) a penalty fee of $200.
b) a penalty fee of $100.
c) a penalty fee of $50.
d) No penalty for first violation.
Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual...no mention/definition of "Mistake buck"

6. Any member who harvests two mistake bucks (immature trophy potential buck) should receive a penalty of:
a) A $200 fine
b) Complete lease termination
c) Loss of deposit and lease termination
Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual...no mention of "Mistake buck"

7. The penalty for any member who harvests any (mistake, cull or trophy) deer and does not log it in camp range book and/or bring it into camp:
a) Immediate lease termination
b) Will receive no immediate penalty however, wont be allowed to renew their lease on the following year.
c) a penalty fee of $200
d) Lease termination with loss of lease deposit
Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual...no mention of "Mistake buck"

8. All collected penalty fees should be:
a) divided up and distributed equally to all members except the offending member.
b) paid out in full to person who harvests the biggest / highest B&C scoring trophy buck.
c) paid out 60% / 30% & 10% for top three harvested trophy bucks.
d) Put into camp improvement fund
e) Put into fund to purchase and fill protein feeders to be placed in unclaimed areas across lease for next year.
All fees are paid in full when correct hunting license is purchased


9. All harvested bucks must be documented in camp log and:
a) a photo must be labeled and posted in camp house. (Camera provided by individual members and must accompany them on every lease trip.)
b) be B&C scored and listed in log book if they represent a trophy kill (all members must learn how to score their deer with a B&C scoring kit provided / kept at camp).
c) All of the above.
Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual...Harvest log are available for download

10. The ultimate winner of any lease trophy award will be determined by:
a) Group consensus vote based on animal photos and stats.
b) Straight B&C score completed by a single and neutral party (whitetail bucks).
Biggest penis

11. I believe that all large areas of lease that are not claimed by any member and do not infringe on other members areas should be:
a) Left alone as sanctuary for the game animals.
b) be available to all lease members as a secondary hunting area to construct blinds and establish feed pens on a first come / first serve basis only with the member who establishes the area having first right of refusal to hunt the area.
c) be available to all lease members as a secondary hunting area to hunt from a tripod type stand with hand distributed feed only on a first come / first serve basis only.

Well I "claim" the biggest deer on the lease!!

12. I believe that entire lease (including other members established hunting areas) should be opened up to all member access during spring Turkey season.
a) Yes
b) Yes, as long as you keep at least 100 yards away from other members feeder pens.
c) Yes, as long as you keep at least 200 yards away from other members feeder pens.
d) Yes, as long as you keep at least 300 yards away from other members feeder pens.
e) No

Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual...Illegal to hunt whitetail deer during spring turkey season

13. I believe that it should be all right for members to hunt doves (as long as it does not infringe on another members established hunting area) starting Sept 1st however, all shooting outside that which we take part in to harvest deer, hogs, turkey or exotics in our own established hunting areas should come to a halt beginning:
a) Sept 12th.
b) Sept 19th.
c) Sept 26th
d) No Sept dove hunting should be allowed on lease.
Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual seasons clearly listed, along with bag limits. (Migratory birds are based on USFWS recommendations)

14. I believe that it should be all right to corn all roads and hunt hogs beginning the day after Whitetail season closes all the way up until the September date we decide on for the previous question.
a) Yes
b) No
c) No lease road hunting should be allowed
Refer to TPWD Outdoor Annual...under non-game animals, legal methods

15. I believe that providing supplemental protein feeding from April 15th to Aug 15th should be:
a) mandatory for all members to take part in within their individual hunting areas.
b) completed on a voluntary basis only.
c) mandatory for only the members who harvest a mistake buck.
d) An entire lease member effort where several protein feeders are strategically placed throughout lease where all members could benefit from them.
What will the poor deer eat from Aug 16th-Apr. 14?

I think I failed this one, when is the make-up exam?

I currently manage a west Tx Deer lease with 20 plus members and want to create a survey for them to decide on some rules that will be established for the coming year to better manage our deer population and give them a voice and some measure of control.(Keep in mind that it must all be within the frameworks of our lease agreement w/ landowner and only include issues that will not compromise member safety)

Please give me your constructive feedback on it as well as additional topics that you would deem important

1. I believe that a cull buck (one that represents a buck that we do not want to breed) should be defined as:
a) a mature (no more growth potential) 120 B&C or less class buck
b) a mature buck with no brow tines no matter what B&C class
c) a severely crippled or disfigured buck
d) any spike buck (at least one un-forked antler)
e) All of the above

2. I believe that we should encourage members to kill cull bucks prior to Uvalde area rut by:
a) charging them a $30 fee if they fail to do so.
b) $100 discount on next years lease fees for member who kills ugliest cull buck.
c) Do nothing as all members should be mature enough to kill a pre rut cull if they can.

3. I believe that we should be able to harvest ________ Doe per year.
a) 0
b) 1
c) 2

4. I believe that a trophy buck should be determined by:





a) an inside spread measurement between main beams of 13 inches or greater.
b) a mature 5+ year old deer with a 120 B&C score or greater.
c) every harvested buck should be judged on its own merits based on group consensus
d) Having at least eight points.

5. Any member who harvests one mistake buck (immature trophy potential buck) should receive a penalty of:
a) a penalty fee of $200.
b) a penalty fee of $100.
c) a penalty fee of $50.
d) No penalty for first violation.

6. Any member who harvests two mistake bucks (immature trophy potential buck) should receive a penalty of:
a) A $200 fine
b) Complete lease termination
c) Loss of deposit and lease termination

7. The penalty for any member who harvests any (mistake, cull or trophy) deer and does not log it in camp range book and/or bring it into camp:
a) Immediate lease termination
b) Will receive no immediate penalty however, wont be allowed to renew their lease on the following year.
c) a penalty fee of $200
d) Lease termination with loss of lease deposit

8. All collected penalty fees should be:
a) divided up and distributed equally to all members except the offending member.
b) paid out in full to person who harvests the biggest / highest B&C scoring trophy buck.
c) paid out 60% / 30% & 10% for top three harvested trophy bucks.
d) Put into camp improvement fund
e) Put into fund to purchase and fill protein feeders to be placed in unclaimed areas across lease for next year.

9. All harvested bucks must be documented in camp log and:
a) a photo must be labeled and posted in camp house. (Camera provided by individual members and must accompany them on every lease trip.)
b) be B&C scored and listed in log book if they represent a trophy kill (all members must learn how to score their deer with a B&C scoring kit provided / kept at camp).
c) All of the above.

10. The ultimate winner of any lease trophy award will be determined by:
a) Group consensus vote based on animal photos and stats.
b) Straight B&C score completed by a single and neutral party (whitetail bucks).

11. I believe that all large areas of lease that are not claimed by any member and do not infringe on other members areas should be:
a) Left alone as sanctuary for the game animals.
b) be available to all lease members as a secondary hunting area to construct blinds and establish feed pens on a first come / first serve basis only with the member who establishes the area having first right of refusal to hunt the area.
c) be available to all lease members as a secondary hunting area to hunt from a tripod type stand with hand distributed feed only on a first come / first serve basis only.



12. I believe that entire lease (including other members established hunting areas) should be opened up to all member access during spring Turkey season.
a) Yes
b) Yes, as long as you keep at least 100 yards away from other members feeder pens.
c) Yes, as long as you keep at least 200 yards away from other members feeder pens.
d) Yes, as long as you keep at least 300 yards away from other members feeder pens.
e) No

13. I believe that it should be all right for members to hunt doves (as long as it does not infringe on another members established hunting area) starting Sept 1st however, all shooting outside that which we take part in to harvest deer, hogs, turkey or exotics in our own established hunting areas should come to a halt beginning:
a) Sept 12th.
b) Sept 19th.
c) Sept 26th
d) No Sept dove hunting should be allowed on lease.

14. I believe that it should be all right to corn all roads and hunt hogs beginning the day after Whitetail season closes all the way up until the September date we decide on for the previous question.
a) Yes
b) No
c) No lease road hunting should be allowed


15. I believe that providing supplemental protein feeding from April 15th to Aug 15th should be:
a) mandatory for all members to take part in within their individual hunting areas.
b) completed on a voluntary basis only.
c) mandatory for only the members who harvest a mistake buck.
d) An entire lease member effort where several protein feeders are strategically placed throughout lease where all members could benefit from them.

Now there is yet another fine example of how 7mag has obtained his oh so well deserved "THF Celebrity" status.

It's not from great pictures, tales of adventure or even organized thoughts that has allowed him to accumulate 13,260 posts.

No Sir, its from little jewels / hit and run bits of insight such as this.
Well done 7mag, both you and sig226fan have once again made my day by doing your very best 15 to 20 character effort to redirect the focus of my post.

I appreciate the opinions, however, It sounds like they only represent member (not management)level opinions.

Quite frankly such beliefs are ok for someone who either is or aspires to become a deer lease member.

Heck man as a new and unseasoned member that in a nutshell is exactly what I wanted: a do as you please lease run on the assumption that every person is responsible and committed to improving the deer herd......What a suprise I had when that was not exactly or even close to the truth in fact, this particular style of management was the perfect recipe for deel lease disaster.

How about we hear from some other lease management people now (past or present)who have battled with and hopefully conquered such problems.

Put everything to a vote. Majority rules. If they don't like how the majority votes, then they can find somewhere else. The dictator style lease manager is not a good one.

I think what most people here are having difficulty understanding is that we have already tried "Just having our members follow the rules laid out by TPWD" and it failed miserably.

Why did it fail? Do you think you'll do better with different rules under the threat of fines or expulsion? Get real....you're just going to create more angst and problems. Though not currently, I've been a lease manager (ramrod) for about as many years as you and think you're going about it all wrong.

With 23 hunters, you will get all types......hard core horn hunters, meat hunters, hard workers, slackers, guys who just want a place to take their kids, guys who just want a place to veg out, guys who just want a place to drink, guys who just want a place to get away from their job/wife/whatever.

but a herd can't take half the members making mistakes or their kids or wives making mistakes.

Who said anything about mistakes by half the members and kids and wives?

that's what you'll get if rules regarding what can and can't get shot aren't established.