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 what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 01:41 AM
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if they are damn near mint condition with all matching numbers. year range is 1940-1946
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 02:20 AM
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 02:38 AM
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You will find them from different dealers from $75 to $135, slightly higher at gun shows.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 03:09 AM
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+1. They made millions. Look at the bores carefully, make sure the rifling goes all the way to the muzzle..some were counter bored because of damage from poor cleaning practices.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 03:40 AM
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I believe the production total was 17 million, give or take a few. They were made from 1930-1944, when they were replaced with the M44. (Although a few may have been made in 1945, I have never heard of one). The reason a lot of them are in near mint condition is because they were arsenal refinished after the war. (They will be marked accordingly. The marks may differ, but the ones I have seen have a square with a diagonal line on the stock and a square, with a vertical line dividing it into two halves on the metal.)The ones that are not refinished are more attractive to collectors. Check out lines 18 and 28 for the markings I am referring to. http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm With my C&R license I can get them for as low as $75. I have seen them at pawn shops and gun stores like Gander Mountain for up to $130. Personally, I think everyone should have a Mosin or two (I have six). Great guns and very cheap to shoot, you can't go wrong. Also, I don't think counter boring is a bad thing. It may not be as great as having one not counter bored, but almost all arsenal refinished rifles were counter bored. This is basically just a way of recrowning the rifle and will improve the accuracy, at least compared to have a rifle with a damaged crown that is not counter bored. Given the choice I would take one that is not counter bored, but it isn't a deal breaker for me.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 03:52 AM
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Hey hornfan can you ship those or does paperwork have to be done?
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 05:52 AM
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If you have a C&R license - which you have to apply for from the government - then you can order directly from the internet and get the guns (only guns that are C&R eligible) delivered to you. The site you are ordering from needs to have a copy of your license on file and you must keep a record book of your purchases. Other than that, it is as simple as going to the website - such as Century International - putting the gun in the cart and paying with a credit card. A few days later and you have your gun on your door step.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 06:34 AM
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uthornfan,
I think he is asking if you have to do paperwork if YOU ship/sell one.
bigdaddy590,
A type 03 C&R FFL does not allow one to operate as a dealer. But a C&R FFL can sell as part of upgrading a collection for example. There is no paperwork, but the buyers name address, drivers license is recorded in the sellers bound book same as a dealer is required to do. A C&R can't just do a handshake deal and walk away not knowing who they bought from or sold to.
I did assist the ATF last year with a rifle I sold on this forum. As part of a criminal investigation it traced back to me from the importer because I had purchased it on my C&R FFL. The buyer was a Texas resident and I had shipped it to him. I no longer have an FFL, but I had required a copy of the buyers drivers license to verify age and residence. I gave the nice ATF investigator the buyer's drivers license number, and she moved on. I did not ask what they were investigating or who and doubt they would have told me if I did.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 12:20 PM
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Thanks John for clearing that up. What I was wondering is if I could buy one from you. I didn't know how the c&r thing worked.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/20/10 12:45 PM
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I believe the production total was 17 million, give or take a few. They were made from 1930-1944, when they were replaced with the M44. (Although a few may have been made in 1945, I have never heard of one). The reason a lot of them are in near mint condition is because they were arsenal refinished after the war. (They will be marked accordingly. The marks may differ, but the ones I have seen have a square with a diagonal line on the stock and a square, with a vertical line dividing it into two halves on the metal.)The ones that are not refinished are more attractive to collectors. Check out lines 18 and 28 for the markings I am referring to. http://www.7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinMarks01.htm With my C&R license I can get them for as low as $75. I have seen them at pawn shops and gun stores like Gander Mountain for up to $130. Personally, I think everyone should have a Mosin or two (I have six). Great guns and very cheap to shoot, you can't go wrong. Also, I don't think counter boring is a bad thing. It may not be as great as having one not counter bored, but almost all arsenal refinished rifles were counter bored. This is basically just a way of recrowning the rifle and will improve the accuracy, at least compared to have a rifle with a damaged crown that is not counter bored. Given the choice I would take one that is not counter bored, but it isn't a deal breaker for me. Counter boring improves the accuracy in a rifle that shoots poorly. It doesn't bring back the accuracy of a new barrel, and with whatever technique was used in the counter bores I've seen on 91/30 rifles that were "refurbed", I'd be surprised if one could hit the broad side of the barn while standing in it. This is especially true of the Izhevsk rifles..but then again there were less Tula rifles exported to the U.S. so it could be a common issue. Couple that with the quality of some of the surplus 7.62x54r ammo that has surfaced within the last few years and you have a recipie for some pretty shoddy accuracy issues. If you want a shooter, get one with decent breech to muzzle rifling. 7.62x54r is pretty easy to handload for, so one leg in the triad is simple to take care of.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/22/10 05:46 AM
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The thing about counter boring is that when the rifles were arsenal refurbished, almost all rifles were counter bored. They didn't have time to shoot each one and see which ones shot good and which ones needed work, so they just performed the procedure on all of them. Russian Mosins are not known for being tack drivers but the ones I have are plenty accurate enough for what I use them for. I just don't see how having a counter bored rifle is a bad thing, at least assuming you are just wanting a shooter and not something purely for its collectors value.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/22/10 12:43 PM
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I paid $100 for mine at a gun show last year.. with all the accesories included.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/22/10 07:21 PM
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The thing about counter boring is that when the rifles were arsenal refurbished, almost all rifles were counter bored. They didn't have time to shoot each one and see which ones shot good and which ones needed work, so they just performed the procedure on all of them. Russian Mosins are not known for being tack drivers but the ones I have are plenty accurate enough for what I use them for. I just don't see how having a counter bored rifle is a bad thing, at least assuming you are just wanting a shooter and not something purely for its collectors value. Very true. Mine are pretty accurate as far as Mosin standards go..combine a generally crappy trigger pull and sometimes way out of spec. headspacing (both a snap to fix) they can be decent shooters, sometimes without doing anything to them. If I was going for tack driver with that type of rifle I'd only shoot my Finns. (I love those rifles!)
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/23/10 06:34 PM
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The triggers on Russian Mosins tend by vary from terrible to awful. The trigger on my M39 is very nice and predictable. Of course the trigger on my Swiss K31 is the standard which I judge all my other surplus rifles off of. It has a trigger so nice that any person on this board would be happy to have it on any of their new production hunting rifles.
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Re: what do mosin 90 30s go for?
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05/23/10 11:54 PM
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Every K-31 I've ever used has had a wonderful trigger pull. I have 3 M39's now and I've not messed with a single one's trigger, they are MUCH better than the 91/30's. No sticky bolt syndrome with the M39's, either. The Finns really knew how to do the upgrades on the Mosins.
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