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Improving my deer herd?
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02/17/10 12:10 AM
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Rockman29
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I have a lease in Rocksprings,it is about 200 acres. What can I do to improve my Whitetail and Turkey herd? We feed year round with corn and 1 protein feeder, but there also was a shortage of deer this year do to drought, there is only 1 cattle trough for water on the place as well as alot of goats!
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: Rockman29]
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02/17/10 03:48 AM
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ctonsmitty
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get rid of the goats...that's the problem (if you have 14-15 deer on the property, you have an ok herd) 1 deer per 15 acres is ok. goats and deer compete for the same food source
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: ctonsmitty]
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02/17/10 03:54 AM
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txhunter24
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Food, water and cover...if you provide those three things you will hold deer on your place. Goats will also hurt the deer herd IMO. They will browse on everything the deer are after and then some!
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: txhunter24]
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02/17/10 04:40 AM
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okietex
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goats and deer compete cattle would be better live stock if you want both
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: okietex]
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02/17/10 04:59 AM
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JT38off
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sounds like you need a mountain lion to come in and thin out the goat herd big time!
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: okietex]
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02/17/10 05:01 AM
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Scoop
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Looked at one lease a few years back during a serious dry spell that had a lot of goats and sheep (livestock) and could not believe what they did to the land. I had no interest in that place. We have a reasonable number of exotic sheep that roam onto my place now, but the numbers are not great enough to do more than suck up a bit of corn and protein. If I felt like they were having much of an impact we'd be opening up on them a lot more.
Water is not that important when it is wet out (duh). But in times of drought, like this past year, its amazing how fast a 30' cattle trough can get emptied by wildlife. My little place offered some of the only wildlife water in the surrounding 10k acres, and you could tell. Worked hard to keep a lot of H2O available 24/7/365.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
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02/17/10 05:17 AM
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JT38off
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Looked at one lease a few years back during a serious dry spell that had a lot of goats and sheep (livestock) and could not believe what they did to the land. I had no interest in that place. We have a reasonable number of exotic sheep that roam onto my place now, but the numbers are not great enough to do more than suck up a bit of corn and protein. If I felt like they were having much of an impact we'd be opening up on them a lot more.
Water is not that important when it is wet out (duh). But in times of drought, like this past year, its amazing how fast a 30' cattle trough can get emptied by wildlife. My little place offered some of the only wildlife water in the surrounding 10k acres, and you could tell. Worked hard to keep a lot of H2O available 24/7/365. i agree with you scoop having a dry spell with goats on the lease, i hunted south of sonora in the early 90's and we had 150 to 200 goats on 1000 acres and there wasnt a dead blade of grass for anything to eat. seriously i dont know what the deer survived on besides our feeders. all the trees mostly mosquites and cedars looked manicured up to 5 or 6 feet tall throughout the land. the kicker is that we took 4 bucks off that year in 93' that scored between 130 and 145. but mountain lions did thin out the goat herd while we were there from 93 to 97. we found 20 or so dead just during deer seasons.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: JT38off]
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02/17/10 05:43 PM
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Gus McRae
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With only 200 acres to play with, you're gonna have a hard time running a protein program unless the neighboring pastures are on board as well.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
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02/18/10 12:09 AM
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highlonesome1
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More water would draw more wildlife than anything. Minerals and protien blocks and alfalfa would probably be more cost effective than protien pellets. Build good feeder pens and remember, he who has the most corn wins.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
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02/18/10 12:42 AM
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deewayne2003
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I wouldnt waste my time on protein.
Id make more water my priority, then go to mineral sites and then food plots if possible.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: deewayne2003]
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02/18/10 02:55 AM
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SingleShot85
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the worthless goats, add at least one more water source. you can feed whatever you want. 200 acres deer will be coming and going so your likely going to be feeding tons of animals. bottom line lose the goats and don't hunt the place too hard.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: SingleShot85]
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02/21/10 04:04 PM
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Find a way to keep fresh water year round.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: bulltide]
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02/21/10 07:20 PM
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Oline Coach
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Water and corn feeders.Don't waist money on protien.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: Oline Coach]
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02/22/10 07:39 PM
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Eland Slayer
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Water and corn feeders.Don't waist money on protien. +1
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: Eland Slayer]
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02/23/10 03:57 AM
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ccbaseball
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oline coach: corn does nothing for deer, protein/water is what you should of said. corn is an attractant thats all. But get the goats off for sure, and blast as many does as possible
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: ccbaseball]
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02/23/10 04:33 PM
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Eland Slayer
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.....but feeding protein will do absolutely NOTHING on 200 acres.....I think that's what online coach was referring too. Just feed corn to attract them for hunting, and then provide water. Feeding protein on 200 acres low fenced is just pissing into the wind.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: Eland Slayer]
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02/23/10 04:36 PM
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txtrophy85
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.....but feeding protein will do absolutely NOTHING on 200 acres.....I think that's what online coach was referring too. Just feed corn to attract them for hunting, and then provide water. Feeding protein on 200 acres low fenced is just pissing into the wind. have to agree, unless the neighbors are doing it too. same thing with mineral blocks, salt licks, etc....we've put out several and the only thing they feed is birds. Water is key....you have water you will have wildlife
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: ctonsmitty]
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02/23/10 04:51 PM
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don k
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get rid of the goats...that's the problem (if you have 14-15 deer on the property, you have an ok herd) 1 deer per 15 acres is ok. goats and deer compete for the same food source If you are leasing then the goats are the land owners.Might be kind of hard getting rid of them. If they are angoras you can put up a fence and keep them out of the feed pen.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: Rockman29]
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02/24/10 04:51 AM
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FeederHelperGuy
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Get rid of the goats. Perhaps pay the landowner for the grazing rights as well? Deer and goats/sheep just don't mix well.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
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02/24/10 02:26 PM
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PHishTX
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Get rid of the goats. Perhaps pay the landowner for the grazing rights as well? Deer and goats/sheep just don't mix well. There is a little more to it than grazing rights.Landowner probably would need to be paid for cost/head, plus if angora (Mohair sale) twice a year. Talk about lease prices going up. Wouldn't it be great if the hunters would lease a place for what the livestock are worth. Then landowners wouldn't have to buy 'em, or take care of 'em. Personally, I'd rather deal with the livestock over a lessor. edit: Plus livestock takes a "Hot Shot" better.
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: PHishTX]
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02/25/10 07:48 PM
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Re: Improving my deer herd?
[Re: Rockman29]
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02/25/10 08:00 PM
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Sorry Rock, but you don't have a deer herd. They are wards of the State.
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