That’s pathetic, this department seems to be trigger happy and to think no acorns were involved this time.

On the call here, I made sure who it was before opening the door. Once I made sure who it was, I made dang sure not to be holding a gun. I don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept.

This is almost a daily occurrence in our country now days that our LEO's face


https://www.wfmj.com/story/50775382...found-dead-after-stand-off-officials-say

He said multiple times it is the Sheriffs department, open the door! If he did not believe it was the Sheriffs Dept he should have responded to the Sheriff that he was calling 911 to confirm.

But what a fricking idiot to open the door with a gun at your side knowing it is either a LEO or ?
I do not fault the Sheriff deputy for shooting first!

Why does the title of the story have to say the airman was black?

Cops pound on doors, they don’t knock. From the inside it sounds like a breech so darn right to have a gun in hand. I hope the cop gets the rest of his life in jail and has several “black” lovers.

Is there a timeframe required by LEO for the door to be opened upon pounding ?

In the video it looked like normal knocking and identifying himself twice. I'm still trying to figure out why open the door for an unknown person. If you're concerned enough to gun up, don't open the door. There's no advantage to opening the door. Even kids know to not open the door for people they don't know.

Why don't you passive-aggressive whiners complain about all the law enforcement officers who have been killed instead? Why don't you start threads on these guys? Yeah, that's what I thought.

EOW

Fits the media agenda!

SO knocked twice and clearly ID'd himself. What sort of business/life are you in that you have to gun-up to answer the door at what looks to be a decent apartment? One of the leading loss of LEO life is responding to domestics. I do think the officer was super quick on the trigger but it would have taken less than a second for him to be dead as well. i'd like to see more facts but this appears to be fairly justified.

Is it justified for a police to shoot me in my own house if I have a gun in my hand in a non threatening manner?

It sells news.


Do bites man isn't news.
Man bites dog is news.

A sensational article is going to get people to read.

You are claiming police lose body cam footage, you weren't talking about just anyone going to jail for tampering with evidence, read your own post...I'll just take your reply as You Don't Have a Clue.

We aren't privy to all the facts/circumstances....so I am not going to judge the outcome. BUT....just because the officer/deputy knocks on a door and identifies one self does NOT mean the person inside was able to hear it.

Resident could have been anywhere in the residence doing any number of things (or even asleep). LEO should NOT assume their presence or commands have been clearly heard.

This 'domestic' call could have been about a third party. It is not unreasonable to imagine the resident only heard pounding on his door, expected someone other than LEO to be outside and had armed himself.

I would hope that the new standard for using deadly force is NOT the mere the presence of a weapon. What if the resident had been holding a bat, hammer, knife? And why in hell do you stand right in front of the door opening when going on a 'domestic' anyway?

I can see myself holding a gun and not opening a door. Not sure I can see myself opening a door with a gun in my hand. If I believe I may need a gun, why would I open the door? That is borrowing trouble and I do not believe in it.

I am not excusing what happened. Just trying to make sense of what I saw.

There's now video of a squirrel sitting up in the oak tree throwing acorns on the roof of the patrol vehicle and laughing his butt off when the cop loses control.

^^As usual, a pretty solid voice of reason.
Often times on deals like this there is poor judgement on both sides and we dont know all the facts.
Ive never had my door knocked on by LEO or almost never by anyone I dont know. I dont think I would hesitate to open it and I certainly wouldnt have a gun. However, after hearing stories like this, I may consider asking a few questions through the door first.

Bad deal overall. Couple of possible mistakes by both parties and now an allegedly innocent man is dead and possibly a police officer's career is ruined.

I think it is a case of both parties acting stupidly. The young man at home shoulda not opened the door and the deputy shouldn't have been so quick on the trigger when he did open the door (and then acted pretty damned callous to the young black man while he laid on the floor dying).

No winners here and one lost more than the other. The guy who has to live with this may be the worst off.

Good reasoning by Hud. If you have reason to need a gun then dont open the door.

I can't imagine what it is like now pulling up on a stop, banging a door for a warrant/domestic etc.

seems to be a revival of the war on cops lately, multiple ambushes, stand offs and general mayhem for the slightest thing.

on one hand I don't blame the deputy but also can't blame the airman for coming to the door armed no matter how nice the apt.

Tough situation all around on this one, grand jury will be faced with lots to consider. Time of day which appears to be afternoon, fact that deputy clearly and audibly announced his presence on both door knocks, door seemed to be slowly opened with no audible words from homeowner prior to being shot and how deputy could have interpreted the danger, fact person had a pistol in hand at side and appearedly a hand up prior to shots as if acknowledging officer. Lots, lots to unwind and no fun doing so...

Bad deal all around, I guess we will see what the Grand Jury says

A gun in your hand while answering the knock of a LEO is itself somewhat threatening. In the blink of an eye that deputy can be dead. I agree that the shots came quickly and without any instruction or warning. Need to know what their policy/training is around such encounters.



The door opens very soon after the second time the deputy, at very high volume, announces himself. Even nice apartments don't have great insulation. But lets say all he knew was that someone was knocking. Again, what life/business are you in where you answer the door with a gun? And why not yell through the door to get ID from the knocker?

It's a crap sandwich all the way around. Sadly, a man lost his life. Hopefully the rest of the facts back the deputy, but if they don't, he should be prosecuted. In either case the family will get paid and the airman's name will be added to the CNN list they use to back their lazy claim that police target black people.