LKT
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A few years back, we had deer that were antlered but, still in velvet very late in the season. Still living, growing skin on the antlers. For all argument sake they were bucks with male organs. By definition of the handbook, they did not have "hardened antlers protruding through the skin". How do you tag them........Buck or doe?
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BMD
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buck!, they were still in velvet prolly cause nertz were messed up (stag) still tagged as bucks.
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Crazyhorse
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I believe it comes down to the difference between actual skin, which is what covers the pedicle and first buttons on a yearling buck, and velvet which in the truest definition is not actually skin.
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RICK O'SHAY
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I BELIVE YOU BETTER TAG THAT AS ANTLERED.... TRY AND GET TECHNICAL AND YOU'LL END UP IN COURT, WITH A JUDGE OR JURY THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T HUNT.
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Jeff Thomason
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Had a family member who was a game warden, and he asked me the same question a few years back. I said tag as a buck. He said they have had that discussion before and never really came up with a clear answer. Velvet is considered skin, and the antlers are not protruding through. I asked him what he would do, and he gave me a politician answer. Better to be safe than sorry.
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bigmac
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I agree, better safe than sorry. I would tag it as a buck.
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AdgerC15
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wouldnt chance it here
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HuntingTexas
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Tag it
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daulongranch
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Antlerless all the way. If the hardened antler does not protrude it isn't a buck.
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jgiles
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I usually shoot 1-3 of those a year, in Mason Co. Game Warden said, buck/Antlered tag. If where wanting to shoot more then call the TPWD, they have several programs available.
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BMD
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Antlerless all the way. If the hardened antler does not protrude it isn't a buck.
You are dead wrong a stag is considered antlered, no different than shooting a buck in velvet in some states, you don't tag those as does. 
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wellingtontx
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Loc: Collingsworth County, Texas
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Buck tag all the way ! Ticket if antlerless.
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robbf213
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Yes, it is a buck.
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Crazyhorse
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Someone made a statement earlier in this thread and I havre been thinking about it, yes, I know that is the burning smell everyone has been smelling, but I seem to remember reading reading somewhere, that velvet is not really considered skin, as it is cellular growth related to the whole antler growing process and that the only time actual skin covers the antlers is when a yearling bnucks first set of nubs are pushing thru the skin that covers the pedicles.
After that first set breaks thru the skin, each subsequent set of antlers are covered by the velvet but not by actual skin.
What is the take on that, is velvet considered skin or just part of the antler growing process that is not actually skin but an intergal part of the antlers that dries and sloughs off naturally?
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BMD
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No it is not skin!
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farmerdad
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I would tag it as a buck.
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daulongranch
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I could have sworn that we had this question on here last year. I thought that one of the GWs that post on here said that it was an antlerless deer.
I just sent the question to TPWD to see what they say. I'll let you know if they reply. I can alway be corrected. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a deer in velvet, so I've never worried about it. The TPWD site only states: A "buck deer" is a deer with a hardened antler protruding through the skin. I think a good attorney might be able to argue the antlerless side of the issue.
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BMD
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The antlers are hardened they are just covered with dried velvet!
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robbf213
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I could have sworn that we had this question on here last year. I thought that one of the GWs that post on here said that it was an antlerless deer.
I just sent the question to TPWD to see what they say. I'll let you know if they reply. I can alway be corrected. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a deer in velvet, so I've never worried about it. The TPWD site only states: A "buck deer" is a deer with a hardened antler protruding through the skin. I think a good attorney might be able to argue the antlerless side of the issue.
It is a buck. Velvet is not skin. Tag it as antlerless and your good attorney will be laughed at by the presiding JP.
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Sethfish
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I could have sworn that we had this question on here last year. I thought that one of the GWs that post on here said that it was an antlerless deer.
I just sent the question to TPWD to see what they say. I'll let you know if they reply. I can alway be corrected. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a deer in velvet, so I've never worried about it. The TPWD site only states: A "buck deer" is a deer with a hardened antler protruding through the skin. I think a good attorney might be able to argue the antlerless side of the issue.
It is a buck. Velvet is not skin. Tag it as antlerless and your good attorney will be laughed at by the presiding JP.
Nope because my good attorney is on the same lease as the JP and plays golf with the DA 
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robbf213
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I could have sworn that we had this question on here last year. I thought that one of the GWs that post on here said that it was an antlerless deer.
I just sent the question to TPWD to see what they say. I'll let you know if they reply. I can alway be corrected. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a deer in velvet, so I've never worried about it. The TPWD site only states: A "buck deer" is a deer with a hardened antler protruding through the skin. I think a good attorney might be able to argue the antlerless side of the issue.
It is a buck. Velvet is not skin. Tag it as antlerless and your good attorney will be laughed at by the presiding JP.
Nope because my good attorney is on the same lease as the JP and plays golf with the DA
Ah, the good ol' boys club. If they want to bypass the law and disregard what is legal, I guess they will.
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Sethfish
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I could have sworn that we had this question on here last year. I thought that one of the GWs that post on here said that it was an antlerless deer.
I just sent the question to TPWD to see what they say. I'll let you know if they reply. I can alway be corrected. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a deer in velvet, so I've never worried about it. The TPWD site only states: A "buck deer" is a deer with a hardened antler protruding through the skin. I think a good attorney might be able to argue the antlerless side of the issue.
It is a buck. Velvet is not skin. Tag it as antlerless and your good attorney will be laughed at by the presiding JP.
Nope because my good attorney is on the same lease as the JP and plays golf with the DA
Ah, the good ol' boys club. If they want to bypass the law and disregard what is legal, I guess they will.
No club here, the county commissioner brings the old telephone for catfish, the mayor always scatters the milo in September, and sheriff always drives cause his car has the best spotlight. Oh yeah and the game warden he took basket weaving in college, that cat can make a gill net. 
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robbf213
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I could have sworn that we had this question on here last year. I thought that one of the GWs that post on here said that it was an antlerless deer.
I just sent the question to TPWD to see what they say. I'll let you know if they reply. I can alway be corrected. I've never had the opportunity to shoot a deer in velvet, so I've never worried about it. The TPWD site only states: A "buck deer" is a deer with a hardened antler protruding through the skin. I think a good attorney might be able to argue the antlerless side of the issue.
It is a buck. Velvet is not skin. Tag it as antlerless and your good attorney will be laughed at by the presiding JP.
Nope because my good attorney is on the same lease as the JP and plays golf with the DA
Ah, the good ol' boys club. If they want to bypass the law and disregard what is legal, I guess they will.
No club here, the county commissioner brings the old telephone for catfish, the mayor always scatters the milo in September, and sheriff always drives cause his car has the best spotlight. Oh yeah and the game warden he took basket weaving in college, that cat can make a gill net.
Thaa's funny, but I really doubt a serious case could be made that a buck in velvet could be tagged antlerless. anyway.
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Crazyhorse
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Yes, especially if that antlerless goes about 140 B&C.  
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FeederHelperGuy
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Velvet antlers is not considered hardened. A Buck is described as a "deer having hardened antlers protruding through the skin " The TP&W county listing book does not differentiate between males and females, just Bucks and antlerless. I asked Austin Head Quarters if I shot a 10 point in velvet, how should it be tagged. They responded with an antlerless tag, tagged with a buck tag would result in a citation for an improperly tagged deer.
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