blanked
Woodsman
Reged: 06/03/07
Posts: 134
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how are you going to change your hunting habits with the high fuel issues? what are your predictions overall about guide fees and lease prices. for me, i will continue to hunt a week at a time and drive less often. my truck is a paid for 01 silverado so i cant see selling it for a more fuel efficient truck since the payments on the truck can pay for the fuel of my old truck. not only that i cant get by with a smaller truck like a tacoma. being gone a week with 2 dogs i have my silverado loaded down.
as far as texas bird hunting in general, even before the economy problems we have now i have always had issues with the high guide fees and lease prices. to say it nicely it absolutely burns me up how commercialized texas hunting is. it doesnt help that 99.9 % of my hunnting is on public land so my mindset just isnt into the commercial hunting. i hope that there is such a big impact on less hunters that the lease prices will come down. but deep down inside i feel there are always enough big money people that will continue to pay whatever it takes and keep the prices up so high for the average working man.
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MS1454
Light Foot
Reged: 01/27/08
Posts: 44
Loc: Houston/Sealy
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It is not going to change any of my habits at all. If you do the math, there is not much of a difference from last year to now and what it would cost you. Once fall comes around, the prices of gas will more than likely go back down.
As far as, high prices for guides your right it is crazy. Most places want 2-3 hunter min, 2 day min at several hundered a day! I also argee with your gut feeling about there always being people that will pay large amounts. I think that most of those people are one weekend a year hunters. I gather that from talking to guides and hunter operations. Some people will pay thousands just for a can hunt of pen birds! As long as there are those, then prices will be high.
Public land is okay. I just wish that there were more days available just for upland.
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Cool_Hand
THF Trophy Hunter
Reged: 09/28/05
Posts: 5235
Loc: Coleman, Tx.
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Okay.........
1. I want to be in that dreams of yours when the gas goes back down.
2. The reason guide prices are likely to stay or even rise, his or hers expenses are going up just like yours are!!
3. Not much different than last year???? Just.40 or .50 p/g thats all.
4. You are correct in one area! There are and is an abundance of deer leases out there now!! Why??? I'll give you three guesses and the first two don't count!!
5. If, (Big word), if you have the money I say go for it but running up and down the road in a truck, loaded that is, that will get about 13-14 miles p/g is just not being very conservative. My2cents 
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blanked
Woodsman
Reged: 06/03/07
Posts: 134
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yes the guides fees are going up just like mine. but the point i am trying to make is the economy is going south and this is just the beginning. guides are going to have lots of free time on there hands now with less customers and the leases would have to come down in price also. only the die hard hunters will keep at it and now with the benefit of lower fees hopefully. but like i mentioned i have a gut feeling there are still enough big wigs who will pay the rising fees anyway so my theory will be shot anyway.
how many hunters can pack a weeks worth gear and 2 dogs in a small fuel efficient vehicle??? being conservative has its limits when it comes to bird hunting out of state for a week at a time.
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gspbrad
Woodsman
Reged: 08/31/06
Posts: 135
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I'm keeping a similar schedule as years past. Here's what my upcoming season will look like:
B = Brad trip
F = Family trip
B/F= either Brad or Family
August
B) 8/30-9/6 elk hunt in Colorado.
September
B) 9/13 9/21 upland birds/deer in ND or
F) 9/13 9/14 teal hunt in E Texas.
October
B/F) Possibly deer hunt in Illinois vs. November
B) Elk hunt in NM
November
B) 11/15 11/19 deer hunt in Missouri.
B/F) 11/19 11/23 deer hunt in Illinois.
F) 11/27 11/30 pheasant hunt in Kansas.
B/F) Misc quail hunt at lease
F) Misc duck hunts around the house
December
B) 12/27 12/29 deer hunt in Brady, TX (archery).
B/F) Misc quail hunt at lease
F) Misc duck hunts around the house
January
F) 1/17 1/19 pheasant hunt in KS.
B/F) Misc quail hunt at lease
Feb
B/F) Misc quail hunt at lease
Deer hunt for Anna and Ethan somewhere in the year. TBD.
Spring turkey end of March April. TBD
Talk to me if gas gets to $10 gal.
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blanked
Woodsman
Reged: 06/03/07
Posts: 134
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gsp brad i just got to ask..... what line of work are you in to get so much time off
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SloughFoot
Woodsman
Reged: 11/06/07
Posts: 226
Loc: North of Dallas just a hair
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I'm planning on hunting a little closer. For pheasant I think I'll forgo Kansas and head out to the Texas panhandle.
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gspbrad
Woodsman
Reged: 08/31/06
Posts: 135
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blanked - I work for a large insurance company in a hybrid role of business development and marketing/sales. I also do several public speaking engagements a year. Been there 17 years. I get almost 8 weeks paid time off per year and 10 holidays. My company provides me with a blackberry, laptop, and wireless internet card which allows me to telecommute (often from the lease). We have offices in many cities around the state where I often parlay business trips with hunting trips. I pretty much have control of how often I travel and where I travel. Ex - last week I was in Galveston for two days and Jacksonville, FL two days this week. The beaches and golf were fantastic. I have an incredible sr management team that is worried about results and quality of work more than how much time is spent at my desk.
My wife works for the same company and has a similar PTO package. We hunt as a family which means I don't have to split up my PTO between me trips and family trips.
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helomech
Extreme Tracker
Reged: 11/14/07
Posts: 3816
Loc: Latexo, tx
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I only worked 14 days for the last deer season. I work 7&7, and get 21 days vacation every year. So I pretty much get 21 days off each time I take 7 days vacation. I usually take 21 off, work 7, then take 21 off, and work 7, and then take another 21 days off. So I can have 63 days off, with only 14 days working in a stretch. I also have some sick days if I need them.
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MS1454
Light Foot
Reged: 01/27/08
Posts: 44
Loc: Houston/Sealy
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Gas prices go up during the summer months. Higher demand, higher prices.
Gas at 3.3 a gal to fill up 20 gallons = 66
At 3.8 a gal to fill up 20 = 76
Which = not much difference.
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Sniper John
Pro Tracker
Reged: 08/31/05
Posts: 1671
Loc: Farmers Branch
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I have budgeted for the higher cost of fuel, might eat out of a cooler more, might camp more, might drive slower, but nothing much will have changed for me as far as hunting goes.
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Schmidte217
Woodsman
Reged: 07/30/05
Posts: 111
Loc: Corpus christi, TX
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It won't effect my hunting around this area. Yea I may spend an extra 100 bucks or so in gas but where it is really killing me is on the out of state trips! My god after the ~200 increase per trip, now the charge for the 2nd bag (gun case) it really adds up when you go on 4-6 trips. I go on alot of hunts with friends across the country so an extra 250 on a hunt that normally costs 6-700 is a big percentage increase.
Eric
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***Specializing in Waterfowl and Upland Birds***
**World/International/National/State Awards**
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Sabrinavonbach
Bird Dog
Reged: 07/15/08
Posts: 491
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Quote:
how are you going to change your hunting habits with the high fuel issues? what are your predictions overall about guide fees and lease prices. for me, i will continue to hunt a week at a time and drive less often. my truck is a paid for 01 silverado so i cant see selling it for a more fuel efficient truck since the payments on the truck can pay for the fuel of my old truck. not only that i cant get by with a smaller truck like a tacoma. being gone a week with 2 dogs i have my silverado loaded down.
as far as texas bird hunting in general, even before the economy problems we have now i have always had issues with the high guide fees and lease prices. to say it nicely it absolutely burns me up how commercialized texas hunting is. it doesnt help that 99.9 % of my hunnting is on public land so my mindset just isnt into the commercial hunting. i hope that there is such a big impact on less hunters that the lease prices will come down. but deep down inside i feel there are always enough big money people that will continue to pay whatever it takes and keep the prices up so high for the average working man.
Therefore the solution is simple. Either go somewhere else, either another state or overseas or better yet boycott the system. A boycott would affect a great many people with a lot of clout along the line. A season or two and you can rest assured the prices will drop markedly.
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scattergun
Light Foot
Reged: 12/18/07
Posts: 39
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blanked, it appears these are the big money people of which you speak.
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DoubleB20
Bird Dog
Reged: 05/20/07
Posts: 256
Loc: Benbrook, TX
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I don't remember what the gas prices were in Jan 2007, but lets say there were $3/gallon. Lets assume gas in Jan 2009 is $4.25/gallon. It's 400 miles where I hunt wild pheasants in the panhandle. My Land Cruiser gets about 15MPG, last year it costs me $160 to drive there and back. This year at $4.25/gallon it will cost me $227 or $67 more. I can safely assume that over the weekend, I'll spend $100 more on gas. I did get a raise at work, so for me, it's pretty much all relative. I hate to pay $80 to fill up, but I work to provide for my family and to do the stuff I love - like hunting. I can sacrifice a month of Starbucks if the $100 is that big a deal - you know. I'll agree with you that leases are expensive, that's why I've quit leasing, but I did that before last season. Public hunting for now - it's all going to be OK.
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MS1454
Light Foot
Reged: 01/27/08
Posts: 44
Loc: Houston/Sealy
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Heres the dream world am living in were gas prices go down
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices;_ylt=Ao0SqS71aZlVPZzx4gd.buiyBhIF
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BassinJohn
Outdoorsman
Reged: 11/30/04
Posts: 57
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Just filled up for $3.45/gal on 380 in McKinney. Its coming down. As the world markets normalize and catch up to the US market correction, the US Dollar will continue to increase and we will see fuel prices hedge down very slowly.
According to some analysist, we still have about 40% that the price of fuel could fall. This specific body is using the EIA data to show that the 70s crisis is & was much worse than this one and it will come down.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html
Cant say that I believe them, but I do believe as the dollar value increases we will see it creep down.
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