junfan68
Light Foot
Reged: 05/15/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Dallas
|
|
Just curious as to some of your experiences with seeding Japanese Millet around stock tanks.
I have a lease on the Red River north of Vernon that has several large tanks on it. I am going to seed the banks with Japanese Millet with a hand thrower to see if I can get some of it going. Probably do it mid-July or so.
Have any of you had good luck with this paying dividends?
|
sallysue
Outdoorsman
Reged: 02/21/06
Posts: 81
|
|
Go to the Refuge theres a lot of stuff there about planting food plots.
|
jeff34
Outdoorsman
Reged: 01/09/08
Posts: 93
Loc: Weatherford TX
|
|
It works pretty good. Cattle sure like it.  Late July or August is a good time to plant it. Buy a bunch of seed and as the tank recedes just keep slinging moor out into mud. I like native thing like smart weed. Cattle leave it alone.
|
TXPH
Bird Dog
Reged: 10/06/07
Posts: 488
Loc: CEN TEX
|
|
smartweed only costs about $200 for 50#, Millet is $35 for 50#
--------------------
Ethics are what you do when no one is looking
|
jeff34
Outdoorsman
Reged: 01/09/08
Posts: 93
Loc: Weatherford TX
|
|
Its high. But due you know how small the seed is? 50 lbs would cover up some space. Prolly a whole lot moor than you would need. Plus it comes back each year. Jap millet wont. But jap millet is very good.. The WGF Sorghum does real good also, I think it is better than the jap millet if we dont get much rain.
|
junfan68
Light Foot
Reged: 05/15/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Dallas
|
|
I was thinking that all my effort might be wasted if the cattle mow it down as fast as it comes up.
|
TXPH
Bird Dog
Reged: 10/06/07
Posts: 488
Loc: CEN TEX
|
|
Smart weed has the potiental of regrowth but all of the elements have to come together to get a good stand, this will not happen every year. When you plant you have more controll of this.
--------------------
Ethics are what you do when no one is looking
|
Tradition_Outfitters
Outdoorsman
Reged: 10/22/07
Posts: 88
Loc: TEXAS
|
|
Do the ponds have vegatation in and around them? If not, you will be wasting your time and money by attempting to make a crop.
--------------------
www.traditionoutfitters.com
|
junfan68
Light Foot
Reged: 05/15/08
Posts: 31
Loc: Dallas
|
|
|
Tradition_Outfitters
Outdoorsman
Reged: 10/22/07
Posts: 88
Loc: TEXAS
|
|
Great looking ponds. You can plant Jap Millet but the cows will probably graze it down to nothing. The reason why Jap Millet is so desireable to ducks is do to its waterproof seed that resist spoiling in high moisture enviroments. Since the cattle will never let the millet head out, it would probably be better to plant wheat or oats around the ponds. Simply because it will make a better stand on the dry banks and all you are gaining is habitat for invertabrits which ducks often feed on.
--------------------
www.traditionoutfitters.com
|
kyotee1
Pro Tracker
Reged: 09/01/04
Posts: 1686
Loc: Coyotehill, TX
|
|
Quote:
Just curious as to some of your experiences with seeding Japanese Millet around stock tanks.
I have a lease on the Red River north of Vernon that has several large tanks on it. I am going to seed the banks with Japanese Millet with a hand thrower to see if I can get some of it going. Probably do it mid-July or so.
Have any of you had good luck with this paying dividends?
Planting time is mid-July and it should do well. However, if the ponds you plant any millet around, you would not be allowed to hunt waterfowl over this season.
A hunter MAY NOT:
-hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area
-hunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removed
-hunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted more than one year prior to hunting
-hunt waterfowl or cranes over crops that have been manipulated, unless the manipulation is a normal agricultural planting, harvesting, or post-harvest manipulation
|
Tradition_Outfitters
Outdoorsman
Reged: 10/22/07
Posts: 88
Loc: TEXAS
|
|
kyotee1
Can you read?
IT SAYS MANIPULATED!
You CAN lawfully hunt over ANY crop as long as you don't MANIPULATE it. Millet with no head is useless.
COWS = No Millet
--------------------
www.traditionoutfitters.com
|
kyotee1
Pro Tracker
Reged: 09/01/04
Posts: 1686
Loc: Coyotehill, TX
|
|
Absolutely, Then go for it...Good luck though! Where's a federal warden when you need one!
NATURAL VEGETATION: Any nonagricultural,
native or naturalized plant species that grows at a site in response to planting or from existing seeds or propagule. Natural vegetation does not include planted millet.
However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the planting is considered natural vegetation.
Edited by kyotee1 (06/23/08 10:25 AM)
|
TXPH
Bird Dog
Reged: 10/06/07
Posts: 488
Loc: CEN TEX
|
|
Every year it is the same debate, First year Millet is leagal to hunt over but you may not manipulate, i.e. mow, dive on, walk down, ect. All native veg. you may manipulate. Second year volenteer millet is considered NATIVE,
--------------------
Ethics are what you do when no one is looking
|
kyotee1
Pro Tracker
Reged: 09/01/04
Posts: 1686
Loc: Coyotehill, TX
|
|
Nothing has changed from year-to-year on planting of millet. If it is planted this summer, it may not be hunted over this season. If it comes back up the following summer or subsequent years, you may legally hunt over it.
Please contact the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service since they regulate all migratory birds, bag limits, seasons and what may or may not allowed.
We, any state regulations must have to abide their ruling, we can more strict, but not less.
|
TXPH
Bird Dog
Reged: 10/06/07
Posts: 488
Loc: CEN TEX
|
|
you need to talk with the feds in Dallas, I have the above in writting from Special agent Mike medenith. I am not arguing this I already know the law....
--------------------
Ethics are what you do when no one is looking
|
TXPH
Bird Dog
Reged: 10/06/07
Posts: 488
Loc: CEN TEX
|
|
I would also like to point out that the law also includes any ag crop, NRCS reconizes Jap millet as soil stabilizer, therefore it is NORMAL AG PROCESS.
--------------------
Ethics are what you do when no one is looking
|
Tradition_Outfitters
Outdoorsman
Reged: 10/22/07
Posts: 88
Loc: TEXAS
|
|
Thanks for the explanation TXPH. But I wonder if he is listening yet? It's plainly written in book.
--------------------
www.traditionoutfitters.com
|
TXPH
Bird Dog
Reged: 10/06/07
Posts: 488
Loc: CEN TEX
|
|
some people think these laws are grey and open for interpritation, if a warden is ignorant to a law, do not argue! take it up with the local judge, if need be get an attorney but do not roll over and pay a ticket that you do not deserve, even if it cost more to fight it. The LAW IS THE LAW!!!!
--------------------
Ethics are what you do when no one is looking
|
jeh7mmmag
Pro Tracker
Reged: 11/01/04
Posts: 1665
Loc: Colleyville, DFW, TX
|
|
"Natural vegetation means any nonagricultural, native, or naturalized plant species that grows at a site in response to planting or from existing seeds or other propagules. The term natural vegetation does not include planted millet. However, planted millet that grows on its own in subsequent years after the year of planting is considered natural vegetation. "
http://www.fws.gov/le/HuntFish/FederalRegulations1.htm
|
jeh7mmmag
Pro Tracker
Reged: 11/01/04
Posts: 1665
Loc: Colleyville, DFW, TX
|
|
"A hunter MAY NOT:
hunt migratory birds with the aid of bait, or on or over any baited area;
hunt over any baited area until 10 days after all baiting materials have been removed;
hunt waterfowl or cranes over manipulated planted millet, unless the millet was planted not less than one year prior to hunting;
hunt waterfowl or cranes over crops that have been manipulated, unless the manipulation is a normal agricultural post-harvesting manipulation in accordance with official recommendations of State Extension Specialists of the Cooperative Extension Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. "
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/season/waterfowl/methods/
--------------------
http://mypva.org/home.html
CVT-16 USS LEX BLUE GHOST CATS
|
kyotee1
Pro Tracker
Reged: 09/01/04
Posts: 1686
Loc: Coyotehill, TX
|
|
Thank you James...
TO - and yes, I listen, hear, read and understand quite well, thank you.
|
Tradition_Outfitters
Outdoorsman
Reged: 10/22/07
Posts: 88
Loc: TEXAS
|
|
kyotee1,
James posted the same information you did!!! Its valid info, but your taking stuff out of context. You cannot hunt over millet the same year you plant it IF IT HAS BEEN MANIPULATED. READ YOUR OWN WRITING. As long as it hasnt been manipulated you can hunt it the same year you plant it.
You can bring a horse to water but you cant make him drink.
--------------------
www.traditionoutfitters.com
|
Tradition_Outfitters
Outdoorsman
Reged: 10/22/07
Posts: 88
Loc: TEXAS
|
|
--------------------
www.traditionoutfitters.com
|
kyotee1
Pro Tracker
Reged: 09/01/04
Posts: 1686
Loc: Coyotehill, TX
|
|
I hate to tell you this one, but a few folks that planted it and hunted over it (without it being manipulated) a few years back, lost their shotguns, licenses and vehicles to Federal Wardens when they checked them. The feds knew about the planting and once the season opened and the owners were hunting it, they paid the price.
|
Previous
Index
Next
Threaded
Edit
Reply
Quote
