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EQUIPMENT & METHODS >> Blinds & Feeders

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kuntry_kid
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6-volt vs 12-volt
      #441185 - 06/13/08 07:11 PM

I am looking at a motor that will run on 6-volt or 12-volt battery. If I put a solar panel on what would be the difference of the batteries? What are the advantages/disadvantages for each.

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Brother in-law
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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: kuntry_kid]
      #441523 - 06/14/08 12:49 PM

I dont think you will notice that much if it has a solar panel. Just how far the corn shoots out it the only difference ive seen. I like my 12volt better (bossbuck)

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HuntingTexas
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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: Brother in-law]
      #441747 - 06/14/08 11:28 PM

Like BIL said, it will throw farther, or at least mine have. Have HRC, and " the timer " and both throw hard and far. That's what you need to help get it past the varmint guard.

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kuntry_kid
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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: HuntingTexas]
      #441762 - 06/15/08 12:57 AM

Thank you that is what I thought, but wanted to make sure.

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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: kuntry_kid]
      #441797 - 06/15/08 09:01 AM

12v all the way, it will take care of corn jams(trash) as well.

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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: dgilbert]
      #441819 - 06/15/08 10:22 AM

The 12 volt battery i have on my boss buck has been going for 4 months now and still strong.

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psycho0819
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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: LordSweep]
      #448508 - 06/26/08 09:42 AM

A lot of it has to do with the motor itself. I've seen little bitty 12volt motors than won't throw worth spit, and big 'ol 6volt motors that'll throw like crazy.

My American Hunter mechanism with a 6volt motor (motor is abut 4" in Diameter) will throw great. And the 12 volt motor (about 2"dia, looks like an RC car motor) in my Remington mechanism will not throw very far at all. My Bro-in-law's 12volt american hunter will out throw my 6, but not by much, it's a large industrial type motor that has a lot of torque to go with the rpm. All work well enough for our needs, but there is a difference. Voltage is not everything. Motor HP rating, RPM rating, Amp draw, and available amp hours on the battery are all factors.

When you double the voltage, you cut the amp draw in half (all other things being equal of course). So theory says, if the motor is the same HP, and the batteries have the same amp hour rating, that a 12 volt will last longer before draining the battery. But that's where the problem lies. If you grab a 6volt sealed gel battery (one of the big'uuns) and a 12volt battery (big'un as well), the 6 volt will have more amp hours due to larger individual cells than the 12 volt. Because they have to put twice as many cells in the 12volt to get the desired voltage. But then the 12volt operates more efficiently, or so theory tells us. So all in all it's a wash.

But like others have said, as long as there's a solar panel in the equation, throw all of the above rambling out the window. We run them on all feeders, and only need to replace batteries every few years at most. Anything we've run w/o a solar panel needs a recharge in a few months, at the longest. And most of the time it'll kill the batteries so bad they'll never truly recharge. So A $20-30 solar panel is worth every penny, IMHO.

Then to nit pick, the actual load placed on the motor will have an effect, all be it a small effect in this application. Lowering the spin plate will allow a free flow of feed, but the plate itself has a lesser effect and thus does not throw the feed as far (this way is less apt to clog on stalks, but makes feed easier to shake out) . Closing the gap lets less feed flow, and thus the spin plate has a greater effect on velocity, but this requires a longer run time to throw the same amount of feed (this way lets less feed shake out, but is more apt to clog). Then the design of the spin plate itself comes into play, which is a whole other world of variables.

My overall advice is not to be so focused on voltage alone. Buy a quality mechanism, and experiment with different settings. Longer run times with a smaller gap, vs. shorter run times with the larger gap. I typically run as tight a gap as I can, so feed doesn't shake out as easily, and to get the velocity that gets me the wider broadcast. But I have to make sure my corn is clean, otherwise it's prone to stop up if a cob or stalk gets hung up in there. And if the barrel part is set-up properly, you do not need a varmint guard at all. But that could be a whole other thread.

Sorry about the long post.

Jay

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kuntry_kid
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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: psycho0819]
      #450336 - 06/29/08 10:02 PM

I got everything setup today, but my feeder is in some trees so the solar panel does no good.

Should I buy a separate battery and switch them like once every month or two? Buy a trickle charger and charge the extra at home? I don't want to wait until one dies and the feeder is not operational for several days.

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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: kuntry_kid]
      #450366 - 06/29/08 10:32 PM

On one of my set ups I just change out batteries every now and then. They will go a long time. Even if I have a charger somtimes I will still change them. I bought a volt tester that I keep in the jeep.

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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: kuntry_kid]
      #450384 - 06/29/08 10:53 PM

Even if the panels are not in direct sunlight they will still produce some power. Not as good as direct sunlight, but will help. Put one in some shade and hook a multi meter to it, you will see it will produce power.

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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: Brother in-law]
      #450386 - 06/29/08 10:56 PM

wo Pyscoho I thought I was back in scool in advance electrical theory

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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: TGalyon1]
      #450536 - 06/30/08 10:15 AM

Helo is right. A solor charger WILL produce more than enough power to keep you battery charged. None of my pannels are in the direct sunlight. Get a cheep voltmeter set to the DC and check it if you have doubts. Good Luck

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kuntry_kid
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Re: 6-volt vs 12-volt [Re: bholt]
      #451164 - 06/30/08 10:16 PM

Quote:

Helo is right. A solor charger WILL produce more than enough power to keep you battery charged. None of my pannels are in the direct sunlight. Get a cheep voltmeter set to the DC and check it if you have doubts. Good Luck




I will try that. I will take the panel and a meter with me when I go check on it this weekend.

I already paid for the solar panel so I would rather not buy another battery too.

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