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Crazyhorse
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Going below minimum in an empty case can be disasterous.
That is why people developed loads using Cream of Wheat and other fillers, placed in the case on top of the powder charge, thereby keeping the powder down next to the primer.
I would be willing to bet that more reduced powder loads have been shot with NO ill effects, than the number that has resulted in disaster.
From my experience with handloading/reloading, it is when someone decides to skip a step that problems develope.
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redchevy
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Well I called up hodgdons and they said that for any load that lists 4895 you can reduce the max charge by by 40 % and that will give you a safe reliable igniting reduced load. I followed the steps and they seemed to shoot great. The only thing I didn that isnt exactly by the book was used 130 grain nosler partitions in a load that was published for 130 grain hdy sp. I had several people that I personaly know and trust tell me that wouldnt make an issue as long as I sayed away from max loads.
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jeh7mmmag
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Reged: 11/01/04
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Loc: Colleyville, DFW, TX
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Matt,
Great to hear that you called Hodgdon and got the information. Glad to see you researched the load before hand. 
I am also glad to hear they said 40% so that puts you in the safe area with 27 grs. I was guessing because the normal figure I see of 75% of Max and your load was borderline at 27grs. Most of these accidents with SEE you hear about are with straight wall case like 38 &357 and 45-70. They are not pretty.
I heard of a guy last year in California that worked for Firearms Company that had a range on their facility. At lunch he went to range and did not show back up that afternoon. Later they found him at range with the bolt out of his gun lodged in his head after explosion. They suspected this was a SEE explosion.
Good luck with the reduced loads. I know they are pleasant to shoot. You might also look at chuckhawks site listed above for his listing of reduced loads from published IMR and Hodgdon data. Hodgdon has redone their web site and they’re listing of youth loads do not show up any more? My guess is lawyer liability reasons.
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Straight-Shooter
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If she is going to use them for hunting medium sized game (deer...) the I suggest using the new 110 gr nosler accubond. The bullet should be coming out this summer. Accubonds are very accurate, and extremly effective on shooting medium to large sized game. The lighter the bullet the less recoil will be felt.
As stated before do not go below minimum charge. If she doesn't like the rifle because of the kick then your brother needs to outfit her with a smaller rifle like a 243.
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redchevy
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We are happy with what we have thanks though. Tho hole Idea of handloading to me is to smecialize gun and bullet to do what you want. We didnt want to buy another gun, so we downloaded the 270 now it is very lite recoiling, I followed all guidlines from powder manufacturer so they are plenty safe, and I am sure they will suit our needs well.
matt
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