| Texpppr |
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| 05/05/08 10:41 AM |
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Anyone here have experience shooting these calibers? Experiences? recoil comparision? I am considering getting one in a CZ..You never know if I will get to Alaska for a Brown/Grizzly bear hunt or to Africa for something mean. lol So far just kicking tires.
| JCB |
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| 05/05/08 07:40 PM |
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I had that same dream of going and hunting Brown bear in Alaska!!! I decided on the 375 H&H simply because it was a classic, and ammo was very reasonable compaired to other big bore calibers. Ammo is also a lot easier to find, and it packs plenty of punch to put down a Grizzly or any other dangerous game quickly!
| Texpppr |
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| 05/05/08 07:48 PM |
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The 9.3 x 62 has a lot of punch with maybe 25% less recoil.. Thats my delima..I don't fancy recoil..lol
| Crazyhorse |
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| 05/05/08 07:52 PM |
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I can return the favor to WileyCoyote for mentioning me and my "Minute Of Deer Accuracy".
Both are good rifles for anything on this continent and for a lot of stuff in Africa.
Hopefully WC will join in on this as he is very fond of the 9.3x62.
I am just gonna lists what I see as deciding factors, and the 375 H&H is my rifle of choice, with a 35 Whelen in #2 spot.
Under normal circumstances, the 375 is going to be easier to find loaded ammunition for.
Unless things have changed, and with the world situation the way it is, not only will loaded ammo for the 9.3x62 be harder to find, but so will loading supplies.
As far as recoil, I have never shot a 9.3x62, but have put over 300 rounds thru my 375, and it is much more pleasurable to shoot than my 300 Weatherby.
It is the intrinsics, such as finding loaded ammo or loading supplies and bullet choices available for hand loading/reloading that will be determining factors in your decision.
Either caliber will work for you, and with all things being equal, I do not think there is a bad choice between the two. JMO.
| JCB |
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| 05/05/08 07:59 PM |
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Quote:
The 9.3 x 62 has a lot of punch with maybe 25% less recoil.. Thats my delima..I don't fancy recoil..lol
If you dont like recoil, then dont hunt dangerous game!!!
| Crazyhorse |
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| 05/05/08 08:13 PM |
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That 25% figure is mis-leading.
With rifles stocked PROPERLY for the caliber, felt recoil is a lot different than recoil from an INPROPERLY stocked rifle.
As I say, I have shot a bunch of rounds thru my 375 and do not have the problem with it that I have / had with my 300 and 340 weatherby's and either of the 458 Win. Mags. I owned.
If you are concerned about recoil at this stage, stick with a 30-06 as that round will kill probably anything you will ever hunt.
If you are even remotely contemplating any Dangerous Game, then you are going to have to learn to deal with recoil, and the 375 and 9.3x62 are going to be mild compared to real Dangerous game rifles.
| Texpppr |
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| 05/05/08 08:21 PM |
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I know in the CZ's the safari magnum (.375) is a couple of pounds heavier than the 550 (9.3 x 62.. I had a 300 Weatherby magnum for awhile when I was in my early 20's.. Yes it kicked, but then it didn't have the limbsaver like you can get now either.
| HWY_MAN |
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| 05/05/08 08:38 PM |
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The 9,3 x 62 mm Mauser is making a strong come back!
http://www.reloadersnest.com/article_9362_oct2803.asp
| Crazyhorse |
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| 05/05/08 09:23 PM |
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The biggest strike the 9.3x62 has against it here in the U.S., is that it is a Metric round.
To the best of my knowledge the 7mm Rem Mag is the Only metric round to gain a following in this country.
I am hoping WileyCoyote jumps i n on this one as he is a disciple so to speak of the 9.3x62.
| WileyCoyote |
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| 05/15/08 08:56 PM |
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Yuppers the old "Mouser" is about like shooting a 180-200gr loaded 30'06 in the 7 3/4 lb CZ 550.
Yes loaded ammo is not commonly found on the shelf in the US, but components and loaded ammo are easily found on the web. Graf & Sons in Missouri not only has a large seletion of stuff but also has enough bidnizz volume in 9.3x62 brass to have their own Privi mfg'ed headstamped stuff at far cheaper prices than any of the H&H stuff. You can also reform regular old kitchen variety '06 brass into 9.3x62 brass...sumthin that is impossible for a H&H round.
I am working a new job these days with a 60 hour work week so I won't be around too much except on my days off. PM me but be patient for a response if you need some help.
Ron
| WileyCoyote |
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| 05/15/08 09:03 PM |
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OBTW find a guy named Bob or BFaucett on either www.accuratereloading.com or www.24HourCampFire.com.
Bob has posted on both forums extensive reprints of 9.3 loads as published in Handloaders magazine. RL 15 seems to to be THE powder of choice for all bullet weights. Hornady is now offering a "new" 286 gr bullet, but Graf's Privi loaded ammo is the cheapest factory ammo I've found at about $19 a box. I also hear good things about the Nosler AB's & Barnes TSX 250 gr boolitz outta a CZ's 24" barrel at around 2600+ fps, with full length penetration on 2000 lb eland sized critters from appetite to "exhaust" at ranges up to 400 yards without severe drop corrections. Those performance levels compare very favorably with a 250 gr 338WMg at 15-20 grains less powder's recoil levels ... that are common to 165-180 grain 30'06 loads at about 58-59 grains of RL15. Check out the drop tables at www.handloads.com and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Ron
| Texpppr |
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| 05/16/08 12:48 PM |
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I have been giving strong consideration to getting a 9.3.. Like the looks of the CZ 550 FS.. A little more expensive than the 550 American , but has some character. As its not something I really need today.. Hoping at some point to find a good used one at a nice price. Thinking about it I really don't have any need for the .375 at this point and if I needed something bigger after the 9.3 would just skip that and get the .458 Win Bruiser..lol
| WileyCoyote |
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| 05/16/08 05:20 PM |
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I bought a 9.3x 62 in a CZ 550 American and really had to hunt for it couple years back, calling every retail outlet listed in the CZ dealer list within 500 miles of Dallas and came up dry except for Bill's Gun shop in Foat Wuth PTL who a pair of 'em. I also like the Full Stocks and would have preferred a FS...but took what I could find.
With the increasing interest in things of a 9.3 nature - Hornady's new 286 gr bullet, Ruger's new 9.3x74R rimmed #1, Nosler's recent 250 gr AB's that are always sold out of stock & Barnes's recent 250gr TSX's that is almost as bad for being in stock...I really doubt you'll find a used FS unless lightning strikes and one falls out of the clouds for you. I keep expecting Ruger to chamber their new African in a x62 but no word yet, but they could sell enough I do believe on a once a year run of regular HawkEyes to justify the expense now that they have a 9.3 barrel reamer anyway. I did hear a rumble couple months back aabout Kimber building one now that they are chambering standard long action calibers....but who knows Kimber is/was selling everything they built anyway. Tikka & SAKO build 9.3x62's for the euro market but Beretta has never seen fit to import any for the US market although the Canucks get all they want...just a giant hassle to get one from there to here. I keep watching a dealer in Florida online list who makes a living selling Nordic hunting rifles. He allus has plenty 9.3x57's and other oddities at fairly reasonable prices but I'm holding out for a pre/post war '98 receivered x62 and haven't seen one yet in the last 6 months after missing a cherry looking pre war commercial Mauser with double triggers, triple leaf sights and claw mounts early last year.
There is also lots of pressure on wildcatting the new Ruger RCM brass - Grafs is carrying it in a "Basic" configuration so that it can be necked down/UP? to any bullet diameter desired, and sumbody has already started putting out 'cat dies in a 9.3RCM as well as a 9.3WSM both of which are s'posed to run couple hunnert feet faster than the Otto Bock 103 year old creation...prolly Redding but mebbe RCBS.
If/when I get time and crazy enough I may rechamber my American and use the standard Ruger 375 basic brass so's I can get better'n 3k speeds outta 250gr TSX's in a 7 3/4lb rifle....can you say a .366 diameter 320 grain VARMINT bullet LOL! Lots of owie on the shoulder possiblities.
Bob Faucett has taken his x62 CZ to Africa a couple times and been really pleased using 300 gr Woodleighs, plus there is extensive reporting on 9.3's in both of those national and international websites I gave you.
The round was invented in 1905 by Herr Bock in Berlin as a do all cartridge for the German & Dutch farmers in South Africa as cheap house gun to be used for the elimination of crop damaging foraging critters from Cape Buffalo & Ellyfants to ground squirrels...and still works mo bettah than anything else in it's class IMO as a for a one gun hunter...kinda like the venerable '06 does in North America.
If I can find a cheap enough rem'ger'chester'vage beater I'll most likely cobble together a GREAT rust proof cerrecoated short barreled hog getter that can also be used in a pinch to paddle the jon boat/canoe/pirouge or beat the dogs with too and leave the too pretty for the mucky stuff wood guns at home. Kicks like a heavy loaded '06 and hits like a 375 Ouch&Ouch or better !!! The older I get the better I like 100 year old rounds like a 9.3x62 and my other newest toy in a 1894 designed 6.5x55 Swede.
Used to think for the last 35/40 years a 270 & a 300WMg or 338Wmg was the perfect pair for everything I'll ever line up on but I'm not so sure anymore.
As far as a 400 caliber goes I kinda favor a 416 sumthin for their flatter drop tables but a case can be made for a 458Winnie to plink with at 45/70 speeds
Have ?fun!!!
Ron